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OfflineOk, I got this one dropped in my lap earlier today by a friend here on the island.
Any direction on some help and or educated suggestions for helping him would be greatly
appreciated.
Yesterday at around 0900 Mr.X had a crew or Rastas start to dig an electrical trench from his house to the
Cabanna in his back yard. During said excavation work was halted at the footer to the house porch and all workers
refused to carry on with any further work. Mr.X immediately noticed the work stoppage and went to investigate
the situation.
The workers had uncovered a shallow void in which they found a pair of size small black tighty mens underwear.
inside the folded underwear was the "Black" wax from a burned candle. Mixed into the wax was several hemming pens,
nails, sewing needles and a substance I can only describe as salt.
The authorities where called and before work could continue the offending artifact had to be burned and then the ashes tossed into the sea on the East side of the island. Work then resumed but the Rasta labor force was none to pleased with the thought of continuing to excavate.
Mr. X is fresh off of a 2 year relationship with a Jamaican Lady that resides here on the island. I am leaning toward some kind of infertility or anti Viagra VooDoo spell being as his underwear were the target of the unearthed artifact. I don't understand the artifacts contents though. The placement was at the foot of the steps to his porch on a well worn path. The placement must have some meaning but I am not sure what it is. I will attach a photo of the evidence for everyones review.
Let me know what you think or if anyone knows someone versed in voodoo, santeria or any of it's variants.
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OfflineWeird sounds like some kind of curse/ritual but it could be harmless
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Any voodoo priestesses you can question?
Just so happens I think I can. The only drawback is that it may be the person responsible for the
aforementioned evidence. I think she would tell me about it with secrecy being the deciding factor.
Wanted to learn a little more about what it might be before jumping in that direction though.
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OfflineJust so happens I think I can. The only drawback is that it may be the person responsible for the
aforementioned evidence. I think she would tell me about it with secrecy being the deciding factor.
Wanted to learn a little more about what it might be before jumping in that direction though.
If it is approached wrong she could file me under Macamba and that would be that.
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Also sounds like the workers knew what it meant they may have some insight /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes:' />
OfflineYou're dealing with Obeah, one of the African-Carribean family of religio-magical practice.
I would not suggest that you approach the person you believe responsible as it may bring more difficulties your way unless you are very, very careful and have an established relationships with her. Either way, since the ritual items have been burned it won't be looked on in a very good light.
Exactly what kind of help or information are you looking for at this point?
Feel free to pm me if you like.
OfflineI practice Wicca not Voodoo but it does sound like some spell or ritual. If it was buried on the property its purpose would be a continued spell for that house or its residence. It may not be anything harmful though. Im not familiar with that ritual and at least in Wicca (not sure 100% on voodoo but I think so) we are encouraged to make our own rituals as it gives them more power. So only the creator would know the true purpose. Unearthing and burning maybe all you need. Unless there was extras woven in. But from my experience usually (not always) if its buried somewhere if its removed it takes the curse or whatever its been used for away. Unless he notices or feels hexed (in that case I know many good unhexing rituals) nothing further would be necessary except maybe a house blessing once work is finished. But I do that after all work on a house. Never know what comes in you know.
OfflineI practice Wicca not Voodoo but it does sound like some spell or ritual. If it was buried on the property its purpose would be a continued spell for that house or its residence. It may not be anything harmful though. Im not familiar with that ritual and at least in Wicca (not sure 100% on voodoo but I think so) we are encouraged to make our own rituals as it gives them more power. So only the creator would know the true purpose. Unearthing and burning maybe all you need. Unless there was extras woven in. But from my experience usually (not always) if its buried somewhere if its removed it takes the curse or whatever its been used for away. Unless he notices or feels hexed (in that case I know many good unhexing rituals) nothing further would be necessary except maybe a house blessing once work is finished. But I do that after all work on a house. Never know what comes in you know.
Caligirl thanks for the info. I will see if the priest here on the island can drop by Mr.X's house for a blessing.
I was concerned about the wax being black as an encounter with Santeria in Mexico taught me that black wax is bad. I'm still not clear on how pins and nails cannot be meant to hurt the target of this spell? I am hoping there is someone on the PUG that will have a deep insight into it's total meaning.
OfflineCaligirl thanks for the info. I will see if the priest here on the island can drop by Mr.X's house for a blessing.
I was concerned about the wax being black as an encounter with Santeria in Mexico taught me that black wax is bad. I'm still not clear on how pins and nails cannot be meant to hurt the target of this spell? I am hoping there is someone on the PUG that will have a deep insight into it's total meaning.
Again this is Wicca but, black actually can stand for good things in Wicca (or bad). Sometimes needles can be used to "sew" or "patch" a relationship together. Or yes to hurt. Its all in the intention not just the objects. Even within the same religions since we make our own rituals the person can only know the true meaning. The good thing is every religion has an "anti hexing" (or whatever you wish to call it) spells and rituals that work perfectly. To me, since he didnt notice a negative affect it may have been placed their during the relationship as a good thing. Well, you never know. I can only imagine what someone would think if they dug in my yard…..a buried bag with wax incense, herbs, a spell. And a jar filled with herbs, salt, and sugar are buried on my property /laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' /> all are good things but imagine not knowing that when you unearth them. As to the workers being scared, its not typically thought to be a good idea to touch things like that if you dont know their intent. Also, the persons karma and energy (if negative) can rub off on you. So I put about 50% of stock in the fact that they were afraid. You can ask around http://wiccantogether.com its a "facebook" of sorts for the magical community. There are all kinds of paths there including voodoo and people are only too glad to help. Even voodoo groups. If you cant find your answers you may want to look there.
OfflineAgain this is Wicca but, black actually can stand for good things in Wicca (or bad). Sometimes needles can be used to "sew" or "patch" a relationship together. Or yes to hurt. Its all in the intention not just the objects. Even within the same religions since we make our own rituals the person can only know the true meaning. The good thing is every religion has an "anti hexing" (or whatever you wish to call it) spells and rituals that work perfectly. To me, since he didnt notice a negative affect it may have been placed their during the relationship as a good thing. Well, you never know. I can only imagine what someone would think if they dug in my yard…..a buried bag with wax incense, herbs, a spell. And a jar filled with herbs, salt, and sugar are buried on my property
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' /> all are good things but imagine not knowing that when you unearth them. As to the workers being scared, its not typically thought to be a good idea to touch things like that if you dont know their intent. Also, the persons karma and energy (if negative) can rub off on you. So I put about 50% of stock in the fact that they were afraid. You can ask around http://wiccantogether.com its a "facebook" of sorts for the magical community. There are all kinds of paths there including voodoo and people are only too glad to help. Even voodoo groups. If you cant find your answers you may want to look there.
Caligirl,
I have been talking to a lady here on the island who practices " Obeah." She has told me many times that Obeah spells are passed down?
I believe, she is refering to the ingredients and manner in which they perform a ritual. I'll ask her some more in depth questions as the
conversation progresses. I did ask her about black wax and she has made a foul face each time I have asked. That is the only indication, I have
that in this particular incidence, that black wax may only have a negative conotation in Obeah. I'll keep digging on this but I don't think the local
ladies are going to tell me much more without getting nervous and clamming up on me.
OfflineThank you very much for your invaluable help Two Crows. The insight you supplied me with was
right on the money. After further conversation with Mrs. Jamaica the location of the item was the key.
As opposed to where it could have been buried the spell was ,almost exactly, intended for the purpose
you conveyed to me. On a lighter note, other than a misdemeanor underwear theft, the local
Politie are of no use to Mr.X in this situation. I believe his only recourse in this delimna is a
hatchet burying ceremony with all the parties involved. Thanks again everyone for all the help and
information.
OfflineThank you very much for your invaluable help Two Crows. The insight you supplied me with was
right on the money. After further conversation with Mrs. Jamaica the location of the item was the key.
As opposed to where it could have been buried the spell was ,almost exactly, intended for the purpose
you conveyed to me. On a lighter note, other than a misdemeanor underwear theft, the local
Politie are of no use to Mr.X in this situation. I believe his only recourse in this delimna is a
hatchet burying ceremony with all the parties involved. Thanks again everyone for all the help and
information.
No problem! I'm glad things have been resolved for Mr. X.
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OfflineThis only has as much "power" as you choose to personally let it have.
Mind over matter … If you pay it no mind, it won't matter. Melt it down, clean out the garbage and make a candle out of it! Or use it as fire starter.
Again – Melt the wax down and clean out the trash.
The cut into cubes when it becomes solid. The melt it one more time and put wicks in it. Then store it dry container. When you need emergancy fire to burn .. put it in the base of the wood, light the wick and you have an Emergancy Fire Starter. (Also put a couple of wood matches in with it, wrapped in plastic wrap or some other water tight safe place.
OfflinePersonally, if all the workers were that nervous about it, I'd be cautious, too. Just in case. /wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />
Seriously, if they believe in it, you wouldn't want to offend them by being flippant about it, right? I'm sure that the believers have a process for dealing with this stuff. My advice would be to let the people who believe in this stuff handle it. IMHO, their religious beliefs are just as valid as anyone else's. Just my opinion, of course.
OfflineUpdate: I have since moved back to the States and have recieved confirmation that the home owner has in no
way suffered in any way from the unearthed spell. The alleged invoker of said spell has moved on to a more healthy
relationship. Thanks everyone for your help and insight in this matter. I will be visiting with both involved parties
later this summer when I return for summer break. I'll see if there is anymore to the story then?
OfflineJust finished reading this…
I am not proficient in Obeah, however, the sense I got was that this was, indeed a curse. Most likely to bring about illnesses and/or problems on the homefront, especially perhaps blocking the man from finding any kind of love at all. On the other hand, I have heard of this sort of thing done as a way of returning a lover back, but in that case, the woman or male would likely include some kind of bodily fluid. I have heard that if such items are put in a graveyard, the intention is to bring about the person's demise.
I am glad in the end to see that both parties have moved on and this wound up not affecting anyone after all.
Offlinegain this is Wicca but, black actually can stand for good things in Wicca (or bad). Sometimes needles can be used to "sew" or "patch" a relationship together. Or yes to hurt. Its all in the intention not just the objects. Even within the same religions since we make our own rituals the person can only know the true meaning.
You need to look at the context of it, especially the geographical craft practices. In the traditions of Obeah, Voodoo, hoodoo, Santeria, spells that involve sealing something with black wax, that's a curse, hex or jinx of some sort. By knowing this, we can at least know that the intention wasn't a happy positive one.
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