I was wary of crap like this when my oldest was identified as gifted in her first grade classroom. I was a little flatterered that her teacher saw what I saw, in that she was really smart. She was tested and they moved her up to second grade. Her skills were not of the "indigo child" sort. Rather, she was a good, little student and the abcs and 123s came easy to her. My point is that it is easy and flattering for parents to believe that their child is oh so different and so very special. It is a boost to themselves to think they could have created someone who has special gifts or powers. When hearing that someone is an indigo child we should look closely at the parents. Kind of like munchhausen(sp?) by proxy syndrome or at least leaning in that direction. I guess it would be a very fine line to walk if you have a child that presents with some supernatural gifts. You would have to be caring and supportive because too many people would automatically shut that stuff down because of the fear of social ridicule or not wanting to encourage a possibly too creative imagination. Nonetheless, it is worth giving them a chance to prove their skills/ gifts in a safe setting. Interesting topic.

Gifted - INTELLICTUALLY is one thing. This can obviously be proven. TEST SCORES. But this is not INDIGO or any other "New Age" crap ... it's genetics ... not "spiritual". We had to set up special ed classes for our kids, because they too were 'above average'. But one thing we found out, we played 'math games' - 'word games' and such when they were very young. Not to push ... but to well teach them the basics. When some parents asked us what we did when they were younger, we told them and consistantly we heard, "We wished we had done those things, but we were to busy." I looked at one dad and said, "If you are too busy to be the parent ... then you are too busy. Your wife and kids come first, not second."

First off- nypdretired- LOL!

Secondly, New Age is such a joke. It's just a jumble of a million religions with a "we're gifted and better than you" mentality. Oh, and a major money maker. I encourage everyone to watch Penn & Teller's B*llsh*t episode on the New Age.

My dad got entirely sucked into the New Age movement- to the point where he now "teaches" these "indigo" children about how he and them are better than everyone else because of this special gift. So you can thank him in part for kids jumping out of windows. He also believes that all dust that shows up in photographs are angels who are visiting them specifically. Mind you, I haven't talked to him in about 5 years- because I really just believe that people who fall in that deeply into any cult really are just a bunch of eccentrics who are in dire need of a good shrink. It's a completely ego-centric and self serving "religion" if you can call it that. And I agree with NoWhammies- he also used these beliefs to excuse his bad behavior non-stop. He could do NO wrong because some Crystal Lights Edgar Casey Circle Of Rocks report told him he was better than everyone else.

I will say, though, that not all of the 'mystical' side of it is BS. Sure, he never lifted off in flight, but he definitely managed to conjure up some creepy things- no different than other stories of people who think they know what they're doing but really don't in the world of the paranormal. But the fact that he didn't know what he was doing only proved to me that much more how un-special he or any of these Indigo people were. All he ever did was make a mess of things and never knew how to clean it up. In more ways than one.

Now I will say, I go to an actual Chinese acupuncturist, and I meditate and do yoga- but those are activities that date back way before the New Age movement threw all the world's religions and rituals into a blender of bastardization. And I'm not better than anyone else from doing them. Just a little calmer and less achey.

Just try to get through even one chapter of a real deal New Age book- nothing makes any sense! That includes my dad's many "published" works. Ugg- I could write my own book on what a hot mess the New Age and it's followers are.

The problem is when you suggest that these 'special gifts' get documented ... because this would "Rock the World" .... they are just never willing to do 'it'.

There were these two boys, that their respective parents labled "INDIGO". They apparently could talk to each other telepathically. So I approached them saying, "wow, this is like those reports with twins." This would be fun to document and add to the growing evidence that maybe this is not just with Twins. (Yes, I was setting them up.)

So they consented and I showed them a set of cards .. shapes, words, pictures, numbers. I explained the variation is because some see one or two of things.

They met my expectation ... they failed.

I then asked them, "Your parents are convienced you can talk to each other telepathically. Is this true?"

Their answer was great. "Mr. Breen, no we can't. But our parents are convienced we can so we set up some hand and face signals to have fun. Our mom's and dad's were talking about this Indigo stuff so much, we just decided it was easier because then they would stop talking about this Indigo stuff." (No their parents were NOT happy.)

But they saw what they as parents had done. They pushed them into this, so much that the kids felt they had no choice.

The parents have sensed stopped talking Indigo Doctrine. /dry.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' /> The boys are happier too.

First off- nypdretired- LOL!

I wanted to watch that Twilight Zone episode over New Years on SciFi...lol

Secondly, New Age is such a joke. It's just a jumble of a million religions with a "we're gifted and better than you" mentality. Oh, and a major money maker. I encourage everyone to watch Penn & Teller's B*llsh*t episode on the New Age.

My dad got entirely sucked into the New Age movement- to the point where he now "teaches" these "indigo" children about how he and them are better than everyone else because of this special gift. So you can thank him in part for kids jumping out of windows. He also believes that all dust that shows up in photographs are angels who are visiting them specifically. Mind you, I haven't talked to him in about 5 years- because I really just believe that people who fall in that deeply into any cult really are just a bunch of eccentrics who are in dire need of a good shrink. It's a completely ego-centric and self serving "religion" if you can call it that. And I agree with NoWhammies- he also used these beliefs to excuse his bad behavior non-stop. He could do NO wrong because some Crystal Lights Edgar Casey Circle Of Rocks report told him he was better than everyone else.

I will say, though, that not all of the 'mystical' side of it is BS. Sure, he never lifted off in flight, but he definitely managed to conjure up some creepy things- no different than other stories of people who think they know what they're doing but really don't in the world of the paranormal. But the fact that he didn't know what he was doing only proved to me that much more how un-special he or any of these Indigo people were. All he ever did was make a mess of things and never knew how to clean it up. In more ways than one.

Now I will say, I go to an actual Chinese acupuncturist, and I meditate and do yoga- but those are activities that date back way before the New Age movement threw all the world's religions and rituals into a blender of bastardization. And I'm not better than anyone else from doing them. Just a little calmer and less achey.

Just try to get through even one chapter of a real deal New Age book- nothing makes any sense! That includes my dad's many "published" works. Ugg- I could write my own book on what a hot mess the New Age and it's followers are.

Got it! Thanks for the clarification. /biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />

No problem - I like dialog and such. /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='B)' />

So what I hear you saying is that while these abilities may exist, we have to operate within the physical plane on which we exist. Am I interpreting that correctly?

I do not believe people will ever to be able to "fly like Superman" ... That too me was totally reckless on the parents side.

As for "Psionics" - I think 'telekinesis' is simply not been proven to be objectively real. I've yet to see and not for lack of looking to see anyone offer any valid proof.

Are there people with Psi abilities? Yes .. but they are not as common as a lot would like us to believe.

Huh - I missed both of these stories. I see that you are in the PacNW, as well. Not surprising I missed them though. Yesterday and today are the first few days I've poked my head up from work in a long, long time.

I had a husband once who used "New Age" philosophies to excuse his behavior. You see, he believed that he only had control over what he did now and not in the past. He used this as a way to excuse his behaviors. Five minutes after he'd do something unbelievably horrid - lying, stealing, cheating, etc., he would say "Hey - it's in my past. There's nothing I can do about it now. You'll have to forgive me." I could never make him understand that co-opting New Age belief in order to excuse oneself for destructive behaviors didn't make him spiritual - it just made him a jerk. He borrowed the parts of New Age that supported his behaviors and left anything else like being responsible for your actions, caring about others, etc., in the dust because it didn't suit him. Cherry picking is one of the biggest issues I see with New Age beliefs. But then, people have been cherry picking from all kinds of dogmatic belief for years. They pick the parts that support their actions and ignore the spirit behind it.

As for telling a kid that they could fly because they are a crystal or an indigo - that's just irresponsible parenting. We do live in this universe that has certain physical laws and properties. While I have no idea whether belief can actually override physical law, I've had no experience that it can and so I teach my child to believe in himself and have confidence, but to not be an idiot. Seems the responsible parenting thing to do now, doesn't it? I would love it if belief overcame physical law, because dang it I'd be thin, gorgeous, forever youthful, and it would rain money in my backyard rather than, well, rain. We'd all eat rainbows and poop butterflies. And when I had that kidney stone for six months? I would have just believed that sucker away instead of having to pass it like a normal person.

We'd like to believe that belief can overcome physical reality. I know I'd like to believe it. I'm an idealistic pragmatist. I believe that there is far more to this universe than we've been able to uncover scientifically or objectively. I've had times where I've done visualization and affirmations that I truly feel have changed the path of my life. But was that a psychological edge that led to physical action, or was it a mystical one? I'm going with the former. I'd love to believe that I could change my objective reality just by believing. So far - I haven't turned water into wine (**** it), but I have been able to change my experience of things by changing my actions and attitudes. So - I don't believe I could fly if I jumped off of a roof, but I do believe that I can choose to be happy, joyful, content, loving, etc., by changing my subjective view of things.

But then, that probably didn't answer your question, huh?

Comments are Comments... You commented! /biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' /> That is what I asked for. /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

I enjoy dialogs, even if they disagree w/me ... /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

I had a husband once who used "New Age" philosophies to excuse his behavior. You see, he believed that he only had control over what he did now and not in the past. He used this as a way to excuse his behaviors. Five minutes after he'd do something unbelievably horrid - lying, stealing, cheating, etc., he would say "Hey - it's in my past. There's nothing I can do about it now. You'll have to forgive me." I could never make him understand that co-opting New Age belief in order to excuse oneself for destructive behaviors didn't make him spiritual - it just made him a jerk. He borrowed the parts of New Age that supported his behaviors and left anything else like being responsible for your actions, caring about others, etc., in the dust because it didn't suit him. Cherry picking is one of the biggest issues I see with New Age beliefs. But then, people have been cherry picking from all kinds of dogmatic belief for years. They pick the parts that support their actions and ignore the spirit behind it.

As for telling a kid that they could fly because they are a crystal or an indigo - that's just irresponsible parenting. We do live in this universe that has certain physical laws and properties. While I have no idea whether belief can actually override physical law, I've had no experience that it can and so I teach my child to believe in himself and have confidence, but to not be an idiot. Seems the responsible parenting thing to do now, doesn't it? I would love it if belief overcame physical law, because dang it I'd be thin, gorgeous, forever youthful, and it would rain money in my backyard rather than, well, rain. We'd all eat rainbows and poop butterflies. And when I had that kidney stone for six months? I would have just believed that sucker away instead of having to pass it like a normal person.

We'd like to believe that belief can overcome physical reality. I know I'd like to believe it. I'm an idealistic pragmatist. I believe that there is far more to this universe than we've been able to uncover scientifically or objectively. I've had times where I've done visualization and affirmations that I truly feel have changed the path of my life. But was that a psychological edge that led to physical action, or was it a mystical one? I'm going with the former. I'd love to believe that I could change my objective reality just by believing. So far - I haven't turned water into wine (**** it), but I have been able to change my experience of things by changing my actions and attitudes. So - I don't believe I could fly if I jumped off of a roof, but I do believe that I can choose to be happy, joyful, content, loving, etc., by changing my subjective view of things.

But then, that probably didn't answer your question, huh?

• -“I am an Indigo.”
• -“I’m a Crystal Being.”
• -“I’m a Star Child”
• -“I can make Psi Constructs.” (Psionics)
• -“I can Shape Shift”

… When no one is around and/or his “energy” shifts to other beings/objects.

• -“I can walk on Water.” <-Yes but only when no one is around.
• -“I can Read Minds”

… But so far he has provided less then credible proof and usually tells us it is our “higherself” he is ‘reading’ …

• -“I’m telepathic…”

… Again when no one is around and video camera seem to ‘block’ his energy.

- … and the claims go on and on and on and on.

I have read all of the above claims being made and then when asked for validation what is 99% of the time offered: EXCUSES or RATIONALIZATION…

BUT --

Here is the problem – What happens to these kids and yes adults, when OBJECTIVE REALITY HITS –aka- REAL LIFE?

More and more a lot of people are building their lives on some very seriously WRONG and DANGERIOUS New Age crap. There is no other term for it, but CRAP.

Let me explain.

Case 1:

Locally, here where I live, are two cases as to why PSI (Psychic) claims must not only be challenged but explained carefully and the difference between SUBJECTIVE REALITY and OBJECTIVE REALITY:

7 Year Old Boy Tried to Fly Like “Superman”.

Paramedics had to rush a 7 year old boy to local Hospital with multiple broken bones in his body.

According to investigative reports the following took place.

The boy was being encouraged and told by his parents that he was an “INDIGO CHILD”, an apparent “New Age” Belief that makes kids “special” with various, so called Subjective Psychic and other Metaphysical Abilities.

He had apparently told his parents that he was having dreams of flying like the Super Hero, Superman and wondered if he could fly like Superman?

His parents answered, “You are an Indigo Child so anything is possible if you just believe hard enough.” This was verified in follow-up investigation from the child’s Grandparents and other family members.

The parents are now under investigation of this and child endangerment.

The boy then jumped out of a second story bedroom windows under the belief that he needed some ‘take off room’ to start ‘flying’. That jumping off a rock or their short deck was not enough space.

He suffered two broken legs, one broken arm, broken ribs and other external and internal injuries.

They boy after surgery was quoted by his visiting grandparents said in so many words, ‘that I’ll try again. I’m Indigo and I’m special. My mom and dad say so!’ Even the grandparents are concerned as to what beliefs are being taught their grandson.

The parents even in a follow-up did reinforce this by saying, “(HE-boys name omitted) is capable of anything, He is Indigo, he is special. If he wants to fly, he will.”

Case 2:

Two Middle School Boys in ER for “Psychic Altercation” went bad.

Two Middle School boys were admitted to the ER with minor injuries of their own making.

The School Counselor has said there is a ‘growing movement’ of this so called “Psychic Energies” (Psionics) from the cartoon Anime and “X-Men” type science fiction shows.

There were some school bullies that the two thought it was time ‘they were taught a lesson to stop being bullies’. They had convinced themselves, even though it is unsure how, that their “Psychic Energy” was “ready to teach the lesson”.

All witness, even the boy’s friends all agreed, “they started it.” But the “bullies” finished it and needless to say, the one’s being taught the lesson was not he desired outcome.

No charges will be pressed against the two boys.

The local Middle School is going to take time to address this issue and hopefully have some education that X-Men and Anime’s are Fantasies and not real. Again the school counselor admitted this is no small task, as it has been growing over the past 5+ years.

I kid you not, these were real cases here locally where I live.

Now before certain groups get ‘upset’ that I’m ‘picking on them’ it must be pointed out that the above is posted in about 8-9 different groups that the above would fit in.

Now here is the problem where Subjective Psychic Powers meet the Objective Reality World and well it will be assured 100% that failure will happen! These so called psychic energies, shields and such are no more effective then they would be stopping a fist coming in your direction, let alone even static discharge on a cold day.

We MUST teach the difference the difference between Subjective Reality and Objective Realities before other people are injured, even seriously.

I cannot tell you the first hand accounts that were validated of REAL psychic attacks. People thought for SURE their SHIELDS and such would protect them, until they found Subjective Reality Shields do NO GOOD with Objective Psychic Powers. These are Two very totally different worlds, thus two very different realities and outcomes.

Belief is fine – except when another does not share ‘your’ belief in certain things. If your ‘reality’ is not theirs … your reality will not protect you. Trust me, too many stories to prove other wise.

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