For clarity's sake, I would like to point out that this thread was locked because there seemed to be an inability in some cases to avoid name calling - NOT because it was about any specific belief system. You are more than welcome to discuss religion and beliefs in other threads if it is done with respect.

Hey Dawkins, I gave the evidence for the existence of a Divine, Supreme, Intelligent Being, but if you don't have the intelligence to understand what I wrote, nor comprehend what you are seeing, then I cannot help you! Your reading comprehension sucks, and so does your attitude and philosophy towards life. I have read your posts, and you are only interested in Dawkins, the world revolves around Dawkins, and Dawkins only sees what Dawkins wants to see. I shall not waste my time on someone so mudane, and with no depth of intellect. Have a nice life!

Oh, and I shall not respond to whatever odious comment you might have for me, because I simply refuse to argue with ignorance!!!

Poet -

The bolded is unacceptable. Please refer to our forum rules. No personal attacks or name calling is allowed on these boards, regardless of whether or not you disagree with someone else's philosophy.

While you may not agree with his philosophy, there is no need for personal attacks. If you don't like what Dawkins has to say, please use the "ignore" button.

Thank you.

Offer the evidence for your thesis. For review.

Hey Dawkins, I gave the evidence for the existence of a Divine, Supreme, Intelligent Being, but if you don't have the intelligence to understand what I wrote, nor comprehend what you are seeing, then I cannot help you! Your reading comprehension sucks, and so does your attitude and philosophy towards life. I have read your posts, and you are only interested in Dawkins, the world revolves around Dawkins, and Dawkins only sees what Dawkins wants to see. I shall not waste my time on someone so mudane, and with no depth of intellect. Have a nice life!

Oh, and I shall not respond to whatever odious comment you might have for me, because I simply refuse to argue with ignorance!!!

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

In the beginning(Time)

God(Mind/Intelligence)

Created(Energy/Power)

The heaven and earth(Space & Matter)

In the beginning, if there was "nothing," and there was, then that means that all of this complex universe had to come from somewhere. The so-called "Big Bang" had to be caused by "Someone," not by "something." The two laws of Thermo-Dynamics tells us this. One law says that "dead matter" has no creative power/ability, therefore dead matter never created anything, because you cannot get anything "living" from something dead. The plant, animal and even human kingdom tells us this, and that is, "Life produces life." Dead matter cannot produce anything, because it is dead.

The other law of Thermo-Dynamics states that everything in the Universe is "winding down," everything is "aging," getting older, just like humans, animals and plants. Everything ages and dies! Fact! Therefore, that strongly implies/demands that everything had a beginning.

Two main things, mind, and matter, we know they exist. We know that matter is dead, yet it ages/deteriorates, and because it is dead, it has no creative power. Therefore, it took a "Magnificent Mind/Intelligence" to bring all of this grand universe into existence. If you lay a piece of paper(dead matter) on a table, how many years will it take for it to form a paper airplane? It never will, because dead matter cannot create anything, it has no creative power. But, if a human being(which has intelligence, a mind) walks up and folds that paper in just the right fashion, then and only then will you have a paper airplane. Not because the dead paper "evolved" into a paper airplane, but because a "mind" formed it!

The one fact that atheists refuse to accept about GOD is that He is "timeless/ageless," no beginning! He has always been! Our minds cannot grasp that, yet, we are nothing in this universe compared to everything else. This is where "Faith" comes in, because there simply comes a time when you have to accept the fact that all of this wonderful universe just did not come into existence by some giant firecracker in the COSMOS. You cannot get a Webster's Dictionary by having an explosing in a printshop, because you cannot get "order out of chaos," totally impossible. This universe was formed by a MIND(God), and He used his "Creative" power to bring all of this "order," and all of this "complexity" into existence, and to believe otherwise has you left with not one leg to stand on argument-wise, because you have no argument. You cannnot get something from nothing without a MIND, and INTELLIGENCE!

Therefore, "In the beginning(Time)....God(Mind/Intelligence)....created(Energy/Power)....the heaven and the earth(Space and Matter). You cannot have this complex universe without the creative Mind, and creative force of an "Intelligence" behind it, and to believe any other way is simply ludicrous!

~ MidnightPoet

Offer the evidence for your thesis. For review.

OK folks...quite honestly, it's rather apparent that this has become a thread that doesn't really ask or answer questions. My intention was that there could be back and forth questions about the Christian worldview. Instead, it has seemingly become a platform for certain people to blast their personal opinions on the religion and religion in general, as well as to trumpet their personal achievements in a public place.

So here it is. STOP. If you have no actual questions, and no actual desire to learn anything, STOP. No one is under any delusions regarding your agenda. So just stay away please. That simple. There are many websites devoted to your point of view. You could even start a thread about YOUR viewpoint. My suggestion is that you do so.

Now if we can PLEASE get this thread back onto it's original tack, I would be appreciative.

The History Channel has been airing epi's on Nostradamus.

What's your views on the alleged Bible code?

I'm a fence sitter, leaning towards no. I think, you can find meanings in about anything, if you look hard enough.

All fascinating, particular the view on Histler, by Nostradamus. The thought that Hitler was the Antichrist.

What do you all think?

In the beginning(Time)

God(Mind/Intelligence)

Created(Energy/Power)

The heaven and earth(Space & Matter)

In the beginning, if there was "nothing," and there was, then that means that all of this complex universe had to come from somewhere. The so-called "Big Bang" had to be caused by "Someone," not by "something." The two laws of Thermo-Dynamics tells us this. One law says that "dead matter" has no creative power/ability, therefore dead matter never created anything, because you cannot get anything "living" from something dead. The plant, animal and even human kingdom tells us this, and that is, "Life produces life." Dead matter cannot produce anything, because it is dead.

The other law of Thermo-Dynamics states that everything in the Universe is "winding down," everything is "aging," getting older, just like humans, animals and plants. Everything ages and dies! Fact! Therefore, that strongly implies/demands that everything had a beginning.

Two main things, mind, and matter, we know they exist. We know that matter is dead, yet it ages/deteriorates, and because it is dead, it has no creative power. Therefore, it took a "Magnificent Mind/Intelligence" to bring all of this grand universe into existence. If you lay a piece of paper(dead matter) on a table, how many years will it take for it to form a paper airplane? It never will, because dead matter cannot create anything, it has no creative power. But, if a human being(which has intelligence, a mind) walks up and folds that paper in just the right fashion, then and only then will you have a paper airplane. Not because the dead paper "evolved" into a paper airplane, but because a "mind" formed it!

The one fact that atheists refuse to accept about GOD is that He is "timeless/ageless," no beginning! He has always been! Our minds cannot grasp that, yet, we are nothing in this universe compared to everything else. This is where "Faith" comes in, because there simply comes a time when you have to accept the fact that all of this wonderful universe just did not come into existence by some giant firecracker in the COSMOS. You cannot get a Webster's Dictionary by having an explosing in a printshop, because you cannot get "order out of chaos," totally impossible. This universe was formed by a MIND(God), and He used his "Creative" power to bring all of this "order," and all of this "complexity" into existence, and to believe otherwise has you left with not one leg to stand on argument-wise, because you have no argument. You cannnot get something from nothing without a MIND, and INTELLIGENCE!

Therefore, "In the beginning(Time)....God(Mind/Intelligence)....created(Energy/Power)....the heaven and the earth(Space and Matter). You cannot have this complex universe without the creative Mind, and creative force of an "Intelligence" behind it, and to believe any other way is simply ludicrous!

~ MidnightPoet

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd, the beat goes on.

For one final time, I will address the "evidence". After this, regardless of what is said, I will keep this on topic.

Dawkins. Sir. My best piece of evidence is simply this; 1st there was nothing. Then the "Big Bang" happened, and there was everything. So. If there was nothing, and then there was something, what started the "Big Bang"?

The Big Bang can't be denied. It happened. Things in the cosmos are moving away from a central point, and gaining speed as they do so. So what started it? What was available TO start it, if there was nothing?

There are other things, such as Behe's Irreducible Complexity that show that many of the evolutionary ideas are simply preposterous.

As I have already stated the evidence regarding the historicity of the Bible, I will not rehash it.

Now, I can't understand why you hold my views, and perhaps myself with such contempt. I can make assumptions about your psychological makeup I suppose, but that would get us nowhere. I could make further assumptions regarding how you were raised and by whom. Again, rather pointless. So since it is quite evident that neither of us truly knows the other, let's say that we agree to disagree. What do you say? As I am not the only person experiencing your rather particular brand of vitriol, I can make a guess that you perhaps like to debate. So I would like to include for you a link. When you go to this link, it gives you access to a forum to debate religion. You may want to be prepared before going, just because many of them are well prepared for all of your arguments. SO good luck!

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/

The hurt feelings card is often displayed by theists when their beliefs are questioned. "How dare you?" Don't care. Life is tough, get a helmet. Any assumptions you might assume about myself regarding what you read on an anonymous internet forum are likely fatuous, trending to your bias. Behe makes me chuckle; Irreducible Complexity is not evidence, but argument, and a weak one. The designer you hawk is irreducibly complex. Who designed him/her/it? On and on in an infinite regression.

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd, the beat goes on.

For one final time, I will address the "evidence". After this, regardless of what is said, I will keep this on topic.

Dawkins. Sir. My best piece of evidence is simply this; 1st there was nothing. Then the "Big Bang" happened, and there was everything. So. If there was nothing, and then there was something, what started the "Big Bang"?

The Big Bang can't be denied. It happened. Things in the cosmos are moving away from a central point, and gaining speed as they do so. So what started it? What was available TO start it, if there was nothing?

There are other things, such as Behe's Irreducible Complexity that show that many of the evolutionary ideas are simply preposterous.

As I have already stated the evidence regarding the historicity of the Bible, I will not rehash it.

Now, I can't understand why you hold my views, and perhaps myself with such contempt. I can make assumptions about your psychological makeup I suppose, but that would get us nowhere. I could make further assumptions regarding how you were raised and by whom. Again, rather pointless. So since it is quite evident that neither of us truly knows the other, let's say that we agree to disagree. What do you say? As I am not the only person experiencing your rather particular brand of vitriol, I can make a guess that you perhaps like to debate. So I would like to include for you a link. When you go to this link, it gives you access to a forum to debate religion. You may want to be prepared before going, just because many of them are well prepared for all of your arguments. SO good luck!

First read "On the Origin of Species" by Darwin. Then, Dawkins "The Greatest Show on Earth." I do not know your understanding of science, the scientific method, how one might examine the natural world. I once considered entering the seminary in the Catholic church, so I've read the bible, over and over. A

literature major in college, I was moved to examine the same text. It did not impress. Read the texts I've offered and we might discuss; do it not and I may know your world-view.

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/

For one final time, I will address the "evidence". After this, regardless of what is said, I will keep this on topic.

Dawkins. Sir. My best piece of evidence is simply this; 1st there was nothing. Then the "Big Bang" happened, and there was everything. So. If there was nothing, and then there was something, what started the "Big Bang"?

The Big Bang can't be denied. It happened. Things in the cosmos are moving away from a central point, and gaining speed as they do so. So what started it? What was available TO start it, if there was nothing?

There are other things, such as Behe's Irreducible Complexity that show that many of the evolutionary ideas are simply preposterous.

As I have already stated the evidence regarding the historicity of the Bible, I will not rehash it.

Now, I can't understand why you hold my views, and perhaps myself with such contempt. I can make assumptions about your psychological makeup I suppose, but that would get us nowhere. I could make further assumptions regarding how you were raised and by whom. Again, rather pointless. So since it is quite evident that neither of us truly knows the other, let's say that we agree to disagree. What do you say? As I am not the only person experiencing your rather particular brand of vitriol, I can make a guess that you perhaps like to debate. So I would like to include for you a link. When you go to this link, it gives you access to a forum to debate religion. You may want to be prepared before going, just because many of them are well prepared for all of your arguments. SO good luck!

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/

I think maybe a good idea, Dawkins, would be to start a thread yourself asking for evidence - so as not to thread jack gryp's initial intention. Can we try that?

Thanks.

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Seems an elegant reply.

Again and again I ask for evidence.

I think maybe a good idea, Dawkins, would be to start a thread yourself asking for evidence - so as not to thread jack gryp's initial intention. Can we try that?

Thanks.

Dawkins, you seem to be insinuating that Gryph was throwing a tantrum in his post. Not sure how you'd come to that conclusion. His post was well written and right on target.

Evidence? Haven't we already been over this ... again and again and again?

Again and again I ask for evidence.

Are you taking your ball and going home? Holding your breath and turning purple? Advance your argument, with evidence and proceed coherently. Without tautology and circular argument. The metaphysics you hawk trespass overtly into the science you ignore. Boo!

Dawkins, you seem to be insinuating that Gryph was throwing a tantrum in his post. Not sure how you'd come to that conclusion. His post was well written and right on target.

Evidence? Haven't we already been over this ... again and again and again?

OK folks...quite honestly, it's rather apparent that this has become a thread that doesn't really ask or answer questions. My intention was that there could be back and forth questions about the Christian worldview. Instead, it has seemingly become a platform for certain people to blast their personal opinions on the religion and religion in general, as well as to trumpet their personal achievements in a public place.

So here it is. STOP. If you have no actual questions, and no actual desire to learn anything, STOP. No one is under any delusions regarding your agenda. So just stay away please. That simple. There are many websites devoted to your point of view. You could even start a thread about YOUR viewpoint. My suggestion is that you do so.

Now if we can PLEASE get this thread back onto it's original tack, I would be appreciative.

Are you taking your ball and going home? Holding your breath and turning purple? Advance your argument, with evidence and proceed coherently. Without tautology and circular argument. The metaphysics you hawk trespass overtly into the science you ignore. Boo!

So here it is. STOP. If you have no actual questions, and no actual desire to learn anything, STOP. No one is under any delusions regarding your agenda. So just stay away please. That simple. There are many websites devoted to your point of view. You could even start a thread about YOUR viewpoint. My suggestion is that you do so.

Now if we can PLEASE get this thread back onto it's original tack, I would be appreciative.