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July 23, 2009
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achment=37:Loris_Vacation_010.jpg]Here on the island we had the oldest Jewish settlement and Synogogue in Western Hemisphere

at one time. Along with that comes the oldest cemetery as well. Looking through the cemetery

one day reading crypt covers from the 1760's I came across one with no stones placed upon it

and a testimony about a man that just dumbfounded me. The first half of the stone was in Hebrew

the second half was in Olde English. Why no stones on the one weird stone but on the majority of

all the others?

The strange thing was the inscription on the crypt with no stones placed on top.

It reads:

Persecuted all his days even to the grave. In spite of false friends is praised by the brave.

Joseph Buzaglo de Paz

May 15th 1766

July 23, 2009
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That name sounds familiar for some reason.

July 24, 2009
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That name sounds familiar for some reason.

If you have any information on who this man was please just give me a shout.

I don't know if his dates coincides with any conflicts here on the island but who

can tell with as many times as this place has changed hands. We thought Six

Flags over Texas was alot!!!!

July 24, 2009
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In Jewish culture, it is considered a mitzvah to "erect a tombstone" – it is an act of ultimate kindness and respect. Stones are placed on graves after a gravestone is erected because the people placing the stones weren't able to erect the tombstone themselves. Therefore, they place stones instead. Originally, a grave was marked by a pile of stones and not a headstone. This is likely the genesis of this practice.

Putting stones on a grave is a sign of respect for the dead, showing that someone had come to visit it. Consider it similar to placing flowers on a grave.

Why would one not have stones? Maybe no family to come visit the grave?? I think it would be similar to a grave with no flowers on it.

July 24, 2009
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Here you go Jon

Of the Jews who prospered in commercial ventures, the wealthiest was Joseph Buzaglo de Paz (1701-61). His epitaph in the island's Jewish cemetery, still readable in Hebrew and English, reveals that his wealth earned him enemies:

Prosecuted (sic) all his days

Envey'd to the grave

In spite of false friends

Is praised by the brave.

and a link to the website

http://www.jewishexponent.com/…..icle/2764/

July 24, 2009
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Here you go Jon

and a link to the website

http://www.jewishexponent.com/…..icle/2764/

sort of gives credibility to what I said above. Gotta love Google. /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

July 24, 2009
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Here you go Jon

and a link to the website

http://www.jewishexponent.com/…..icle/2764/

Thanks Heidi Ann! This is gonna be fun because I have no clue about

how to find history on Portugese Jewish decent?

July 24, 2009
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Thanks Heidi Ann! This is gonna be fun because I have no clue about

how to find history on Portugese Jewish decent?

google. It rocks.

July 24, 2009
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google. It rocks.

Ok, I can take a smacking! I stand humbled….sorta. /laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

July 24, 2009
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Research on this guys name has been a mind blower.

Turns out in 1749 he was a trade facillitator to the Danish.

He brokered peace and trade pacts between Denmark

and the Moroccans. Selling mostly arms and ammunition.

He was believed to have cheated the head of a Danish

trade delegation, named Longueville, over a purchase of

gifts for the King of Morocco.

In 1753 he initiated talks between the French and Morrocco

for the French purchase of Tangiers.

In 1759 he was invited to Paris to finalize the purchase. He died

the next year on the island of St. Eustatius.

In 1761 his business partner, a Frenchman named Rey, was

authorized by the Moroccan King Mulay Muhammad to continue

negotiations with the French for the purchase of Tangiers.

Why was such a historical figure, known by Kings and diplomats,

laid to rest and forgotten on an island so far from where he had

established himself.

source: Julien Histoire pg. 243 and the Jewish Chronology of Diplomats in

the Ottoman Empire.

July 24, 2009
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Ok, I can take a smacking! I stand humbled….sorta. /laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Laugh' />

I never smack /tongue.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />

July 24, 2009
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Maybe Joseph Buzaglo de Paz is a super common name – like John Smith.

All kidding aside, it is an interesting mystery, huh?

July 24, 2009
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Research on this guys name has been a mind blower.

Turns out in 1749 he was a trade facillitator to the Danish.

He brokered peace and trade pacts between Denmark

and the Moroccans. Selling mostly arms and ammunition.

He was believed to have cheated the head of a Danish

trade delegation, named Longueville, over a purchase of

gifts for the King of Morocco.

In 1753 he initiated talks between the French and Morrocco

for the French purchase of Tangiers.

In 1759 he was invited to Paris to finalize the purchase. He died

the next year on the island of St. Eustatius.

In 1761 his business partner, a Frenchman named Rey, was

authorized by the Moroccan King Mulay Muhammad to continue

negotiations with the French for the purchase of Tangiers.

Why was such a historical figure, known by Kings and diplomats,

laid to rest and forgotten on an island so far from where he had

established himself.

source: Julien Histoire pg. 243 and the Jewish Chronology of Diplomats in

the Ottoman Empire.

Bodies rot quickly in the heat, and trans-Atlantic passage was slow in those days. Pretty much everyone short of royalty was buried where they died. If you were really important they might move your remains a century or two later.

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July 24, 2009
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also Jewish burials are suppose to take place within 24 hours of death.

July 24, 2009
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I understand the burial within 24 hours in Jewish tradition. Turns out after looking

through more records that he was of Portugese Jewish descent that was raised in

London. His Father was a Moroccan Cabalistic in diplomatic service as well. His father

Shalom Ben Moses (1700-1780)was tortured by the Moroccan Sultanate and escaped to England in 1745

and remined there until his death.

There is a story here! This guy went back to a country that had tried to kill his father

and became influential there. He had business interest in three countries all at war with each other!

It appears the Jewish diplomat/merchants were preferred as emissaries because the Moroccans

would kidnap and extort the trade countries if they sent "diplomats of importance."

I'd say he was a brave one.

July 26, 2009
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Research on this guys name has been a mind blower.

Turns out in 1749 he was a trade facillitator to the Danish.

He brokered peace and trade pacts between Denmark

and the Moroccans. Selling mostly arms and ammunition.

He was believed to have cheated the head of a Danish

trade delegation, named Longueville, over a purchase of

gifts for the King of Morocco.

In 1753 he initiated talks between the French and Morrocco

for the French purchase of Tangiers.

In 1759 he was invited to Paris to finalize the purchase. He died

the next year on the island of St. Eustatius.

In 1761 his business partner, a Frenchman named Rey, was

authorized by the Moroccan King Mulay Muhammad to continue

negotiations with the French for the purchase of Tangiers.

Why was such a historical figure, known by Kings and diplomats,

laid to rest and forgotten on an island so far from where he had

established himself.

source: Julien Histoire pg. 243 and the Jewish Chronology of Diplomats in

the Ottoman Empire.

I remember this name from a history class long ago and am too lazy to google at this ungodly hour….anyone know what time google opens on the west coast?

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July 26, 2009
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I remember this name from a history class long ago and am too lazy to google at this ungodly hour….anyone know what time google opens on the west coast?

I dont' know, we dont have any of those crazy "blue laws" here in the east /wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':angry:' />

our google stays open 24/7 /tongue.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':P' />

and please explain to me how 10:00 is an "ungodly hour"???

things are far too laid back out there in San Fran /laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Laugh' />

I guess it's a good thing it's not big enough for the both of us /wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />

July 26, 2009
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A little more detail about de Paz and Longueville

http://books.google.com/books?…..=g_mh5fuel…lt&resnum=1

July 27, 2009
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When I get back on the island Tuesday I'm gonna go to the Island Museum

and see if they have any more info on him. The only drawback is that I don't read

Dutch or Hebrew.

July 27, 2009
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I dont' know, we dont have any of those crazy "blue laws" here in the east /wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />

Massachusetts had a lot of them up until last year or this year.

Like Adultery (3 years in jail or $500 in fines), blasphemy of God ((1 year in jail or a $300 fine)about as Blue Law as you can get!), spitting on the sidewalk, getting a tatoo from someone who isn't a doctor, the Communist Party being subversive, and "acting in a suspicious manner around any steamboat landing, railroad depot, or any electric railway station" were/are criminal offenses. /wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Laugh' />

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