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I have been asked more then a 'few' times on various forums – "Jj, why are you so skeptical and why do you just begin to doubt a video – picture and such? What's the matter? Why can you not just believe??"
Well – first off being Skeptical does not mean I just write anything and everything "OFF". No I don't, actually. If I was that skeptical I would not even bother to look at the video – photo or what ever. If I'm not interested, I don't even waste my time and effort.
The problem with videos – photos and claims is the people make it to easy to spot the hoax or claim.
I would suggest that those that asked/ask me the above …> Become honest INVESTIGATORS .. engage true Critical Thinking, Analytical Thinking, Reasoning Skills. Learn to hear not only what is being said … but what is not being said. What is there and more the point, what is NOT there.
One thing I've told "Die Hard ET-AFO Believers" – "You want us (skeptics) to take you seriously – start cleaning your own house first! Don't get mad at us for doing what you should be doing!!"
What does that mean?
That means do NOT BE TO QUICK (as to many are) TO JUMP on every claim – video – photo with excitement and blind faith.
Be skeptical yourself! < – Yes, and there is are a lot of reasons one should be!
How many times has the ET-AFO (ET-Alien Flying Object) been proven a hoax and/or less then it was sold?
Way more often then not … way more often. In fact this is beyond FLOOD STAGE in the hoax – less then stage. It's even to late to start building an ARK!
I still am amazed at how often the "believer" -- jumps .. then when the video-photo-claim is legitimately debunked, they are the ones that "loose it"! Hey, they should have been the first to debunk it! Don't get mad at us for doing your job!!!
See, engage some logic here. People put the hoaxes up and out there for two reasons:
… > To see if they get 15 minutes of fame.
… > To expose-show how silly people can be in that they will believe blindly anything and everything that is put out there!
But if ….
The ET-AFO believers do themselves serious damage by just getting all excited and jumping before they even begin to think and engage critical thinking. In the end they are left holding a bag of broken, disappointed, let down excitement. They start getting all emo, because they know the Skeptic did the job RIGHT … and they did not … LEARN THE LESSON!!!
How many times does this need to happen, before one learns???
See?
If the ET/AFO-Believer would simply start engaging common sense, critical thinking and such and expose the hoaxes FIRST .. guess what would die down? Eventually the hoaxes would die, because it is seen, that "the believer" is not going to bite anymore. They get bored and "go home".
I understand the 'need to believe' … but … how many times does one get burned with a hoax before they go …"Hey wait! This is getting O L D! Time to wise up and become skeptical myself."
Again being skeptical does not mean you stop believing. It means you wise up to see if 'this' is crap or not, so you don't wind up holding the poop-bag any longer.
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But what if you don't care what others believe, or even if anyone believes you at all?
I think sometimes people just want to share their experiences in hopes of finding others who have had similar experiences. That way they might feel they are not going crazy or are not alone in what happened to them.
Personally, I feel I have nothing to prove, as I look at personal experiences as being nothing more than an opinion about what happened in a particular situation.
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But what if you don't care what others believe, or even if anyone believes you at all?
I think sometimes people just want to share their experiences in hopes of finding others who have had similar experiences. That way they might feel they are not going crazy or are not alone in what happened to them.
Personally, I feel I have nothing to prove, as I look at personal experiences as being nothing more than an opinion about what happened in a particular situation.
Well first off – I'm not talking about "personal 1 or 2 experiences" …
The topic was ET-AFO's in the realm of Videos – Pictures and claims …. and JUMPING before taking a moment to ask this simple question – "With the flood level hoaxes out there, why should I believe this video – picture or claim?"
ADDED => BTW – I really do understand exactly what you are saying. But honestly, isn't that a totally different topic – 'experiences'? I know in my 56 years I've had a 'few' …. /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':(' />
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IMO, when I see a video or picture of what could be what you call an ET/ AFO I may respond with "wow", what the heck! I am not a debunker or investigator per se so I can be impressed pretty easily. This doesn't mean that I am pretty easily convinced that it is the real deal as evidence. I just think that if I saw a ball of light hovering over a building in Jerusalem, for example, and then zoom off lickety split, I would be pumped! I leave the work of figuring out if it's fake or not to others that have the time, energy, know how and desire to do so. As a lay person I'll admit it's cool to watch a video like that just for the pure idea of possibility.
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IMO, when I see a video or picture of what could be what you call an ET/ AFO I may respond with "wow", what the heck! I am not a debunker or investigator per se so I can be impressed pretty easily. This doesn't mean that I am pretty easily convinced that it is the real deal as evidence. I just think that if I saw a ball of light hovering over a building in Jerusalem, for example, and then zoom off lickety split, I would be pumped! I leave the work of figuring out if it's fake or not to others that have the time, energy, know how and desire to do so. As a lay person I'll admit it's cool to watch a video like that just for the pure idea of possibility.
Not that you need my 'respect' – but this I respect! /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />
See from a Skeptic POV – I'm actually impressed /dry.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':(' /> with GOOD CGI – Vedio Editing .. and
/angry.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':angry:' /> with Lousy CGI – Vedio Editing!
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Sometimes I don't even bother with some, because they are just that bad and obvious … and I wait for other's to do that one 'for me' … and look at their analysis and go 'thumbs up' – good job … or 'thumbs down', "what were you thinking?" (Figuring they were/are beginners and cut them slack. I remember a number of years ago when we didn't have 'digital' but VHS Tapes (anyone remember those) and actualy film photographs where … well … you could tell… /tongue.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':P' /> and wondered, "Really? You really want to submit this?"
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I DON'T want to believe, but I do anyway. Too much evidence and too many sightings not to believe, as far as I'm concerned. I myself once watched lights moving in the skies in ways that no known craft could do. While I really wish that I could believe that it's our own military testing all these unknown crafts all over the world, I can't.
The way I see it, there are two options: 1) either every single person who has had an encounter with an "unidentified flying object" is either lying or mistaken, or 2) our government is lying to us. I know which one I find more likely.
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I've seen a few of the Hunter shows on tv and well…I am not to impressed with their investigations. Oh its fun to watch but hey…seeing a blur of light in the night sky and try ing to tell what it is and saying that particular streaks are not jets, or planes or what have you then decalring its a UFO is not what I am looking for. Well yeah they are declaring it a UFO cause it is an unidentified flying object. But off world flying object? ehhh.
Do I believe in life on other planets? Yes.
Do I believe they have come here? No. Not from the proof that I have seen or heard about.
Beware those who make a living off trying to proof there are UFO's. If you don't I have an actual plastercaste imprint of Bigfoot left foot that he made just before he was taken.
(the previous is an opinion and not made to put down what someone else believes in)
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I think there may be life on other planets, also.
When it comes to video, picture of this, I ask myself why do they look like things we are familar with? Lights, craft that we have been shown thru culture of what an alien space craft should look like?
Erasing that all from our minds, how would we know if it's really another life form visitng us, if we only go by what we think they should look like.
It's unknown, and I'm that think outside the box person.
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What about ancient cultures who saw mysterious lights in the sky before the invention of air travel?
Of course there are no photographs of said objects, and we only know of them through inclusion in paintings, word of mouth, or through written accounts.
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What about ancient cultures who saw mysterious lights in the sky before the invention of air travel?
Of course there are no photographs of said objects, and we only know of them through inclusion in paintings, word of mouth, or through written accounts.
The problem with this is – We see those through our no small bias 21st Century Eyes … We simply do not know what they saw .. or if they saw anything at all. They could just be "graffiti" or "Scarecrows" to keep out bad omens amd spirits.
The big problem is – We see what we want to see .. not ness. what they actually saw. Our bias plays a very big part in the picture.
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The problem with this is – We see those through our no small bias 21st Century Eyes … We simply do not know what they saw .. or if they saw anything at all. They could just be "graffiti" or "Scarecrows" to keep out bad omens amd spirits.
The big problem is – We see what we want to see .. not ness. what they actually saw. Our bias plays a very big part in the picture.
So, for example, when historians saw shield shaped flying vehicles attack the city walls of Tyre, thus giving the armies of Alexander the Great access to the city during its siege, they weren't seeing some sort of otherworldly vehicles attack the city walls? It wasn't obviously anything that any culture, that we know of, had at the time. No bias on my part, I'm just relaying what has been said.
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So, for example, when historians saw shield shaped flying vehicles attack the city walls of Tyre, thus giving the armies of Alexander the Great access to the city during its siege, they weren't seeing some sort of otherworldly vehicles attack the city walls? It wasn't obviously anything that any culture, that we know of, had at the time. No bias on my part, I'm just relaying what has been said.
But did they actually see this it flying or was it a "Frisbee" (shield) object that was an experiment. Like a diskus/shield, thinking it could "slice" through the walls, like an ax taking off a head?
It didn't work … maybe … and thus it was not seen again .. they went back to rocks and 'balls' … Blunt force and left the discus, ax to the hands of men.
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But did they actually see this it flying or was it a "Frisbee" (shield) object that was an experiment. Like a diskus/shield, thinking it could "slice" through the walls, like an ax taking off a head?
It didn't work … maybe … and thus it was not seen again .. they went back to rocks and 'balls' … Blunt force and left the discus, ax to the hands of men.
They were said to shoot beams of light at the walls, which destroyed said walls, and gave Alexander's army easier access to the city.
I don't think they were experimenting with lasers at that time.
“The first recorded incident regarding Alexander the Great and UFO’s was recorded in 329BC. Alexander decided to invade India and was attempting to cross the river Indus to engage the Indian army when “gleaming silver shields” swooped down and made several passes over the battle.
These “gleaming silver shields” had the effect of startling his cavalry horses, causing them to stampede. They also had a similar effect on the enemies’ horses and elephants so it was difficult to ascertain whose side these “gleaming silver shields” were on. Nevertheless, after exiting the battle victoriously Alexander decided to not proceed any further into India.
Seven years later Alexander was confronted with the greatest challenge of his military career. In his attempt to conquer the Persian Empire he realized that the city of Tyre needed to be captured in order to prevent the Persians from using that port to land an army behind him.
The original coastal city of Tyre had been destroyed before and had been rebuilt some distance offshore from its original site. Having no navy, Alexander decided to use the remains of the old city to build a causeway to the new one.
It took Alexander six full months to do this and when the task was completed and his troops staged their assault they were easily rebuffed because the walls were too high to quickly scale and too thick to batter down. Not only that but the causeway was too narrow to allow sufficient troops to launch a massive enough attack to overwhelm the enemy in order to scale the walls.
Not only was this a problem for Alexander but apparently a problem for God as well. Both the prophets Ezekiel and Isaiah had spoken of Gods’ curse and eventual destruction of Tyre. (Ezekiel Chapters 27 & 28 and Isaiah Chapter 23). How was Alexander going to achieve his goal? How was God going to ensure that His prophecy would be fulfilled?
The historical account, recorded by Alexander’s chief historian, states that, during an attack of the island city, one of two ‘gleaming silver shields’ attacked a section of the wall with a ‘beam of light’ which subsequently caused that section of the wall to fall! Alexander’s’ men poured through the opening and captured the city.
What is so noteworthy about this encounter is the fact that the historians for the defeated people of Tyre reported the exact same reason for the loss of their city! Usually, the reason given by a defeated people is different than that given by the victors, but in this instance their accounts read the same.
Before he started his major offensive against Persia Alexander sought the advice of an oracle in a temple located in the desert. He set off, with a small party of men, but miscalculated the logistics and found himself hopelessly out of water and dying of thirst.
Almost miraculously, a rare, but unusually strong rain cloud burst overhead and gave him and his men sufficient water to safely complete their journey. No one reported seeing any ‘gleaming silver shields’ but here again is a case of a wondrous “cloud” that we see so many occurrences of in the Bible.
This remarkable incident was apparently paralleled by an equally fantastic visitation during the Siege of Tyre by Alexander in 332 BC. Quoting Giovanni Gustavo Droysens Storia di Alessandro il Grande, the erudite Italian Alberto Fenoglio, writes in CLYPEUS Anno 111, No 2, a startling revelation which we now translate
‘The fortress would not yield, its walls were fifty feet high and constructed so solidly that no siege-engine was able to damage it. The Tyrians disposed of the greatest technicians and builders of war-machines of the time and they intercepted in the air the incendiary arrows and projectiles hurled by the catapults on the city.
One day suddenly there appeared over the Macedonian camp these “flying shields”, as they had been called, which flew in triangular formation led by an exceedingly large one, the others were smaller by almost a half. In all there were five. The unknown chronicler narrates that they circled slowly over Tyre while thousands of warriors on both sides stood and watched them in astonishment. Suddenly from the largest “shield” came a lightning-flash that struck the walls, these crumbled, other flashes followed and walls and towers dissolved, as if they had been built of mud, leaving the way open for the besiegers who poured like an avalanche through the breeches. The “flying shields” hovered over the city until it was completely stormed then they very swiftly disappeared aloft, soon melting into the blue sky.
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They were said to shoot beams of light at the walls, which destroyed said walls, and gave Alexander's army easier access to the city.
I don't think they were experimenting with lasers at that time.
I read MUNGO's post, under your link and did a follow-up to see … guess what? This is the only source sited … there is no actual history book that records this …. This is apparently, unless we are able to find valid supported evidence, which History Channel is not … this is well … myth, for the moment.
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I read MUNGO's post, under your link and did a follow-up to see … guess what? This is the only source sited … there is no actual history book that records this …. This is apparently, unless we are able to find valid supported evidence, which History Channel is not … this is well … myth, for the moment.
I actually read that in a book somewhere, don't remember when or where, as I've read a lot of books over the years. Lol For the record, just because one thinks they know the answer does not mean they know the answer. I, or anyone can surmise what we think to be true, but in essence what we believe is little more than personal opinion. Yes, I think we should scrutinize photos or videos that deals with this subject matter closely, but we have to be very careful not to over analyze, and throw out the baby with the bath water.
One shining example of a UFO sighting that was caught on countless hours of video, and which I think has yet to be explained, is the Phoenix Lights. Having seen the video, I can tell you those lights were not flares, and regardless of what "authorities" say, it is some of the most compelling footage to date.
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I actually read that in a book somewhere, don't remember when or where, as I've read a lot of books over the years. Lol For the record, just because one thinks they know the answer does not mean they know the answer. I, or anyone can surmise what we think to be true, but in essence what we believe is little more than personal opinion. Yes, I think we should scrutinize photos or videos that deals with this subject matter closely, but we have to be very careful not to over analyze, and throw out the baby with the bath water.
One shining example of a UFO sighting that was caught on countless hours of video, and which I think has yet to be explained, is the Phoenix Lights. Having seen the video, I can tell you those lights were not flares, and regardless of what "authorities" say, it is some of the most compelling footage to date.
I did a little research at the library – had to update info for a client and asked the Liberian … Printed out the quote from your sourced link … Yes, it was in a book about Myth's and History .. (based on her memory) ..
So this is apparently a myth that got started …. She also noted that since "God" was mentioned .. it could be likely that this was a "add in" to show "god's favor" .. like the "god's smiled upon the leader … "
She is going to do more research, she love this stuff … but for now, Awaiting further details … (but like most stories with leaders and such, I honestly am not going to hold much hope, beyond myth …)
Interesting link … but un-named books and sources are not a good foundation, as I know you are totally aware.
Good Dialog, btw /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':P' />
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We actually don't know what those anciets saw….Comets? Maybe. Then again these people looked up into the night sky, connected the dots (stars) and came up with Orion, the big dipper, and countless other forms. Could life forms from other worlds visited us here? Maybe.
I would also like to think that whether or not these possible other life forms are either friendly or not in our understanding that after countless millions of years of supossedly observing us they would have at least wanted to contact us for the recipe KFC or asked about opening a Dunkin Donuts on their planet by now.
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Love the dialog on here!
For me, I have a hard time believing most images- as states by others, because CGI has come such a long way- it's just too easy to be hoaxed. I do, however, believe in the possibility of extra terrestrial life- and I believe in the possibility that they have visited and do visit. For me, it really has always been a question of probability.
However, just to throw this one out there, in respect to UFO's being depicted in ancient art ect.- let's say for all intensive purposes that there was in fact an unidentifiable flying object that showed up and in some cases even intervened in human life- I have never understood why people always jump to "aliens". It could just as easily be time travelers for all we know. I just don't understand how, specifically, the History channel of all places and run programming that suggests without much debate that A) They were in fact UFO's in the paintings and that /cool.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' /> They were aliens. JMHO
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Love the dialog on here!
For me, I have a hard time believing most images- as states by others, because CGI has come such a long way- it's just too easy to be hoaxed. I do, however, believe in the possibility of extra terrestrial life- and I believe in the possibility that they have visited and do visit. For me, it really has always been a question of probability.
However, just to throw this one out there, in respect to UFO's being depicted in ancient art ect.- let's say for all intensive purposes that there was in fact an unidentifiable flying object that showed up and in some cases even intervened in human life- I have never understood why people always jump to "aliens". It could just as easily be time travelers for all we know. I just don't understand how, specifically, the History channel of all places and run programming that suggests without much debate that A) They were in fact UFO's in the paintings and that
/cool.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' /> They were aliens. JMHO
UFO's definitely exist in the sense that they are unidentified flying objects and they definitely appear in ancient art and literature. Ancient Indian literature alone is full of flying machines. Even the Bible contains some references to things that could be UFO's.
It's actually amazing how much religious art alone has shiny objects in the sky when you look closely. What they are or where they come from is the question. I think people jump to aliens because 1) it's the most interesting answer and 2) since some of their flight properties don't seem to be explainable with known technology, it makes sense that they come from somewhere else.
On the other hand, it makes just as much sense that they could come from another dimension, a parallel universe or from our future. It's fun to speculate, but unless one lands somewhere very public in broad daylight we will probably never know.
TV produces these shows because people enjoy them and watch them. TV is like any other business: it's all about providing people with what they want.
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