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OfflineNoticed that the Chibolton crop circles topic didn't make it through the hack. Here it is for anyone who wants to continue the discussion-
http://video.stumbleupon.com/#…..0wzjoqi1tm
Honestly, this is hands down one of the most interesting UFO topics I've ever seen. And I've always found it interesting that people who are non-believers in ghosts do tend to believe in extraterrestrial life outside of our world.
OfflineGlad it's back /cool.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='B)' /> it is interesting
I was thinking of this as a hoax because radio telescope operators have enough time on their hands to create such things and the subject matter is what you would expect an operator to be interested in … /rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
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or it could be an authentic message put where those who would understand its meaning would find it /unsure.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
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Offlineokay…I didnt see this thread before so I dont know if this
has been discussed already but I have to ask. If Aliens have
the technology to get our messages, to come here and to
return them…WHY would they chose to do it by making pictures
in a corn field? With all their technological advances, I just
find it impossible to believe that they would come to the conclusion
that corn fields would be the best place to contact us.
Offlineokay…I didnt see this thread before so I dont know if this
has been discussed already but I have to ask. If Aliens have
the technology to get our messages, to come here and to
return them…WHY would they chose to do it by making pictures
in a corn field? With all their technological advances, I just
find it impossible to believe that they would come to the conclusion
that corn fields would be the best place to contact us.
Way back when in pre-historic times when I was a senior in high school one of the classes I took was astronomy. Now part of that class was for us to break up into groups and we were assigned a pro or con of a particular subject and then we had to debate the opposite group. The rest of the class then would vote on which group made its point.
My group was assigned to dispute alien life ever coming here. One of the points I brought up was when in the pro alien life that they came down and built runways to land their craft. I asked "Who built the landing strips?" The other group said the aliens came down and showed the ancient humans how to build them.
"Oh," I said, "but how did they land to begin with to teach the humans how to build them? And if they could land without runways to teach them how to build runways then they didn't NEED runways."
The other group went huh huh…Point is if you can travel hundreds or thousands of light years across the galaxy/universe…you don't need runways to land. Or draw crop circled to communicate.
Oh and my group won the debate.
OfflineVery interesting video, most legit I have seen so far. I think that most crop circles are the work of hoaxsters (is that a word?). The professor at the end of the video may have been on to something when he said that "they" may be slowly giving us information so that we can digest it a little at a time. I believe that it is possible that there are ETs out there. Just hoping they don't come with that message… "we serve man"!
OfflineI've got to say, I've gone back and forth on this subject for many years- for many of the reasons listed here (crop circles? really?) But my belief in extraterrestrial life isn't up for debate, for several reasons(having witnessed a cow mutilation is one of them)
I've watched a lot of videos on crop circles, and some are clearly hoaxes. Others however- it'd be next to impossible for a group of humans to execute that kind of work overnight, not to mention the way the hay is "cut" or bent. At the end of the day, it's really phenomenal to me- and seeing some of the patterns (the chaos theory pattern for example) is so mind boggling, I can't help but think, Hey, who am I to judge aliens? If they want to express themselves using fields of grain as their medium, what's it to me? Clearly they like hay fields and cows. lol While it is kind of silly to us, you can say that among cultures here on earth we differ and sometimes find others expressions odd(lip plates, anyone?). And regardless of it's silliness, it sure has caught our attention.
For all we know they think we're a bunch of freaks for using paint or letting our kids mash colored wax into paper. After all, even when we do "recreate" a crop circle, we still can't do it as good as them.
On a side note- anyone think that this hairstyle is a crop circle mission gone wrong?
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OfflineWay back when in pre-historic times when I was a senior in high school one of the classes I took was astronomy. Now part of that class was for us to break up into groups and we were assigned a pro or con of a particular subject and then we had to debate the opposite group. The rest of the class then would vote on which group made its point.
My group was assigned to dispute alien life ever coming here. One of the points I brought up was when in the pro alien life that they came down and built runways to land their craft. I asked "Who built the landing strips?" The other group said the aliens came down and showed the ancient humans how to build them.
"Oh," I said, "but how did they land to begin with to teach the humans how to build them? And if they could land without runways to teach them how to build runways then they didn't NEED runways."
The other group went huh huh…Point is if you can travel hundreds or thousands of light years across the galaxy/universe…you don't need runways to land. Or draw crop circled to communicate.
Oh and my group won the debate.
Oh and I do believe in ET's out there…I just haven't seen any hard evidence that they've been here.
OfflineOh and I do believe in ET's out there…I just haven't seen any hard evidence that they've been here.
Exactly – plus to add to the Crop Circle as I have already stated, ALL and I do mean ALL the advance artistic crop circles – Fractal Art, Alien Face, etc … were ALL on the internet or produced 6 months to a year before they became a Crop Circle.
Most people don't stop to think about that. They were alll made/created on HUMAN COMPUTERS by HUMANS before they were Crop Circles.
Now I would expect something more "alien" and less "human" in the Crop Circles. Something actually unique and different that would be CLEAR this is not even remotely possible to be "human". But this is simply not that case. Again, especially since it is easily found and proved that humans created these same exact crop circle art, monts to years before they were 'grass art'.
OfflineExactly – plus to add to the Crop Circle as I have already stated, ALL and I do mean ALL the advance artistic crop circles – Fractal Art, Alien Face, etc … were ALL on the internet or produced 6 months to a year before they became a Crop Circle.
Most people don't stop to think about that. They were alll made/created on HUMAN COMPUTERS by HUMANS before they were Crop Circles.
Now I would expect something more "alien" and less "human" in the Crop Circles. Something actually unique and different that would be CLEAR this is not even remotely possible to be "human". But this is simply not that case. Again, especially since it is easily found and proved that humans created these same exact crop circle art, monts to years before they were 'grass art'.
Still doesn't mean that some weren't created by something other than humans, plus isn't math (something that is involved with some crop circles) a universal language. Also, it has been proven that there is a difference in the lay of the grass between a "hoaxed" crop circle and a "true" crop circle. That and the whole weird energy field which is said to be present in a "true" crop circle. In the case of crop circles there is plenty of evidence pointing to them being a true, unexplained phenomena.
OfflineStill doesn't mean that some weren't created by something other than humans, plus isn't math (something that is involved with some crop circles) a universal language. Also, it has been proven that there is a difference in the lay of the grass between a "hoaxed" crop circle and a "true" crop circle. That and the whole weird energy field which is said to be present in a "true" crop circle. In the case of crop circles there is plenty of evidence pointing to them being a true, unexplained phenomena.
What makes it a "hoax" -vs- "True" crop circle.??
OfflineThe linked website below gives the gist of the differences of which I spoke.
Crop circles are usually not round, but slightly elliptical. In a real crop circle the plant's shafts/stalks (mostly wheat, but also grass, barley, canola, buckwheat, linseed, rice paddies, corn, sunflowers, blueberry bushes, trees, etc.) are bent around an inch above soil (corn stalks are bent a couple of inches above the soil) and the plants are laid in precise geometric swirl patterns with little signs of physical damage. There may be light burn marks at the base of stems, altered cellular structure and soil chemistry, increased magnetic particle deposits, discrepancies in background radiation, alteration of the local electromagnetic field, depletion of the local watershed, along with long-lasting energy patterns. Some analyzed crop circles have shown higher radiation levels. Crop circles range in size from a few inches to hundreds of feet across and have been as large as 200,000 sq. ft.
In real crop circle formations the stems are not broken but bent at 90° angles about an inch off the ground, at the plant's first node. The plants are subjected to a short and intense burst of heat or energy that softens the stems or stalks allowing them to be folded over onto the ground at a 90° angle. When the stems or stalks reharden into their new position, the plants and crop are not damaged and continue to grow. This is the method used to identify a real crop circle formation (agriglyph). The canola oil plant has a structure like celery. If the stalk is bent more than about 45°, the stalk will break. When crop circles are found in canola fields, the stalks are bent 90°. Research and laboratory tests suggest that microwave or ultrasound may be the only method capable of producing this effect, but plant biologists are still baffled by this phenomenon.
Crop circles are not a modern phenomenon and may have been occurring for hundreds to thousands of years or longer. They exist in the centuries-old folklore of South Africa and China, and are in Native American Indian legends. They are even mentioned in books of the Bible. The first written account of a crop circle is from August 8, 1590 and is found in "The Natural History of Stafford-Shire", published in 1686. There are also other references from England's 15th century that suggest crop circle formations. In John Aubrey's "Natural History", a 1633 school teacher seen green circles made by the spirits in the grass. Another early historical record of a crop circle from 1678, is the "Mowing Devil" case, where a farmer's field was believed to have been visited by a devilish entity that trampled the crops down in a circle. There is a wood engraving of this event. In 1686, a book entitled "A Natural History of Staffordshire", made reference to rings, circles and other shapes found in grassy fields. The scientific journal, Nature, decided to include in one of its issues a reference and a picture of the June 17, 1996 DNA double helix field of barley crop formation, with spiraling spheres of different sizes, found in Alton Barnes, England, which was 648 feet long.
When a man-made crop circle is found, the grain stalks are broken, the formations are usually jagged and the formations do not have any symmetry. Because of the disinformation spread by the media, most people think that all crop circles have been produced by pranksters with a plank, a garden roller, ladders, ropes and measuring tools. The disinformation and non-media coverage of crop circle formations actually protects the farmers and their harvest from damage caused by researchers and the curious from trampling their crop circle grains, harvest and lands. Some people still believe aliens from outer space create crop circles.
OfflineHere is the thing – the evidence of ET doing this is pretty slim to nill.
You first have to sort out conclusive – ET did this. No such proof or evidence is there.
I've often loved the term "Sacred Geometry". Geometry is not 'sacred' – it's math .. nothing more and nothing less.
But ….
Since we lack the evidence that ET did this – "Little glowing balls" are not proof of ET – only of "Little glowing balls hovering." Nothing more and nothing less.
The non-broken stems and radiation are not proof of ET — they are proof of non-bent stems and radiation.
We need to ask this question first -
Can man do – create this effect?
Let me present some questions that have reasonableness to them:
1st – ALL and I do mean all "artistic" (fractal, et all) crop circles were created AFTER (6 months to a year(s)) of being made by man on the computer. They were NEVER created before the fact.
A simple library investigation can give on all the proof of this they need. Pull out some Crop-Circles (the fractal – artsy) ones and then books that document the creation of the exact same fractal art. 6 months to year(s) before they became public art in the form of C.C.
2nd – With the above being easily proven. I could post the possible theories.
… A. Foo Fighters?
Despite the emotional and that is what it is, debate that these were "ET" and NOT German, there is actual documentation and proof that these were indeed GERMAN MADE – not ET.
… B. IF the evidence of man-made (German) did someone take this technology to several generations beyond the German WWII technology?
Why not?
… C. What about Foo Fighters and Tesla Technology?
… D. What about Foo Fighter – Tesla and Computer and/or Remote Control?
Now what about the Radiation? The "Helix" and such?
Well – what about chemical reactions? What IF basic elements to do this was put into the soil that with the above would create a 'cause/effect'. Even something as basic as X-Ray technology or Micro-wave technology???
See the thing is – I would like to see some serious dialog-investigation on the 'human equation' … It would be asking a whole different set of questions and who knows who might get nervious with those questions??
ADDED – I forgot about this one.
I own CorelDRAW.
I happen to know for a fact that you can use this to design stuff for laser equipment do very controlled depth laser etching and such in wood – plastic – Ice ([i]Ice Crop Circles[/i]).
So could also a Remote Control device with a special laser be involved?
Why not?
They are used to work on eyes, internal surgery, engrave to various levels even micro-meters ….
There are a who list of possible Man-Made possibilities that are dismissed because -- like the Pyramids -- we just don't realize what man can do .. some need to see an ET holding our hands ….
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