I was invited to a "round-table" dialog on Reincarnation -aka- Past Life Belief. I was asked to attend because I am not in the 'norm' of this belief and well do what I do best … Challenge and question.

For a long while I just listened and the host and a few of the people that know me were surprised by being more silent then not.

But then as I continued to listen to the same stuff but I began to realize something:

THERE IS NO HOPE IN THIS BELIEF!

I finally raised my hand and the group went silent and the host/moderator looked and said, "About time! I was beginning to think you might go to sleep on us."

I simply said, "Most of you know me. You know I've heard this more then a 'few times' and have addressed this from various questions and challenges. But tonight I realize something, this belief has no hope of an 'end' if you will, where you 'arrive' to a final point of "PEACE". This belief has no hope!."

I continued, "Let me explain. Those of you who believe in this, believe you are here 'again', because you have to get something "right", right?" They nodded.

"But what? Not one of you has any clue what it is you are suppose to get "right". None of you have any clue what happened in your most "recent" "past-life". In fact you have no clue if you even had one, if you are honest." Again they nodded with hesitant agreement. In fact with some it was a look of surprise affirmation of my statement, from most the guests and fellow round-table guests. As with the on-line groups I belong to, this does not happen to often. /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

I continued, "So if you stop to think about this, you have no HOPE of ever 'arriving' or coming to the 'end' where there is 'eternal', what ever it is that is at the 'end' of this belief. You are, if you will, doomed to be, for as long as mankind continues, to be recycled until you get that totally unknown 'right' – well 'right'. It will not happen, you will never get it 'right' – because you are never given even a remote hint of anything from any of your non-aware past-lives."

There was some dialog on this and those that did speak were not happy but were agreeing with me. This does not happen a lot in these round-tables. In these, as on-line, I usually rock-the-boat and upset the balance. But they realized for the most part, I had at least an interesting observation in that there is no hope, because never are you aware or given clues of what it is one is supposed to get "right" or 'do'.

One person said, "Well I don't believe in that. I believe we are here to experience different "life experiences". Several nodded with his statement.

I asked, "What is the point in that? This too has no hope. Let's be honest. You have no clue what you 'experienced' in, even your most recent 'past life'. In fact again, if you are honest, you don't even know for certain when your 'last' one 'was'. See to me, as I've listened to all of this. IF there was at least some memories that were not vague enough to be either just dreams and/or something from your genetic past. You really cannot say, "Hey ya, I remember back in, say 1745 I remember specifically … (fill in the blank) … But you cannot. You have zero memories of any kind and thus … well … there is no hope, no matter how you try to spin or rationalize."

I continued on that one, "See if indeed it was about 'experiences', in which I would HOPE it was to grow in wisdom and understanding, then we would be growing as a civilization, but we are not and history clearly show this. I would hope that we would be growing 'spiritually' or with some real 'enlightenment' as we are technologically. BUT WE ARE NOT. In fact it is clear, that envy, jealousy, strife, greed, lust and so on are just as real and strong "today" as they were 100 years ago, 500 years ago, 1,000 years ago and further back. What has your 'past life experiences' taught you? Again, if you are honest, you do not remember, you have no clue. So there is no hope of those helping mankind, because you do not bring it with you to the 'now' to be of any good. In fact those 'past life experiences' are of no good to you or anyone else. I mean how many times does it take to understand humans are basically a selfish, greedy, egotistical, strife ridden race? I figured that out 'now'. I do not need to see this more then once. let alone experience it more then once, thank you."

Again, the faces were not happy, but there was some nods of agreement on my observation and answer.

There were some new in attendance and were unaware of my 'genetic memory theory' and we dialogged some about that. I was surprised that some of the Round-Table hosts were actually entertaining this theory. As one guy pointed out, "As I have begun to do my genealogy, based on your encouragement, I have indeed found a few of my ancestors that do fit into some of the 'readings' I got. So I cannot 'write your theory off', as I am seeing there is some possible real validity to it." If you knew this guy, you would understand that was sooo not an easy thing for him to admit. But he earned my respect for saying it.

There was more dialog and give and take, but it was interesting to note that it seemed I hit on something that people had not thought about. I was "cool" to think about 'this' and 'that' in a vapor 'past life'. But when it came down to it, where does it end? When does the 'recycling' end???? Why has it not already stopped in your life?

I try to be open minded and I have tried out lots of different beliefs to see what "fits" So I gave reincarnation a try. In the end I had too many questions, including what you've brought up here, to feel this was what I was looking for. Having no memory of my past lives seemed like a waste. Of course I guess the thinking is that "in between" lives when I'm choosing my next life that I know all, but still I dont understand how that helps me NOW. Also, the idea that we choose our life didnt sit well with me. WHY would ANYONE choose the horrible life that so many people have? or WHY would anyone choose to be a serial killer…what exactly are they learning in THAT life?

See that is exactly the point – it is without hope, no matter how you 'spin' it. You always (well I and several others) may walk a way dizzy from the spinning …. But if this indeed improved the "human condition" … hey GREAT!!! But it does – NADA – ZIP – ZILCH – NOTHING for the human condition.

You never get to learn what you were suppose to get 'right' -- you don't ever get any clues … and 'experiences' … well exactly your point, why would anyone CHOOSE to be a murderer, rapist *child, adult or other wise* – Why would one CHOOSE to be "Hitler" and be responsible for all the lives he just killed "because"? Why would one choose to be Ted Bundy? or the 9/11 Bombers and so on?

I actually witnessed one gal who lost her license to practice Psychology when I witnessed her telling a 13 year old girl, "Honey, don't get mad at the person who rapped you. You and he made an agreement before you were born to go through this. It was a choice you made…." Myself and three others, when we heard this went, "WFT!!????" She went before a board of review and her license was taken away.

No matter which side of the belief of this "GET IT RIGHT" and/or "EXPERIENCES" … it simply does not work.

Besides those issues, the fact that the population is SOOOOOO much larger now then thousands of years ago…where did all the new people come from? If we all just go round and round the population should be pretty steady forever…unless there is something I just dont understand.

They actually had to come up with an answer to that … you 'split' yourself up to live several different lives and the "merge/meld" when you die with various parts of 'yourselves' … <-- No I do NOT make this stuff up!

While I love the idea of Soul Groups (and Soul Mates…although I think I was jipped on that this lifetime /laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':P' /> ), I'm not sure I can believe it. But these are just my opinionsand I know wonderful people who do believe this /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

For me the "jury is still out" … I know some people that are truly happy and blessed with this belief of "My Soul Mate" .. and I know some people that are very bitter, sour and such … because what they thought and believed … well, "didn't work out" …. So the jury is still out. Any and all relationships take work – compromise – give and take.

As I told one friend of mine who was talking with his wife about divorice, "Jj, she just isn't the woman I married 20+ years ago!" I just honestly gave him this look ..>>> /blink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':P' /> "Really? Are you the man she married 20+ years ago? I answered it for him, "NO!" Dude, are you, were you actually that nieve that you thought she would stay "20 something"??? Really? Did you? Part of the joy of marriage is the growth and change. You get to re-fall in love with her over the years as she changes and you do to… If you did not see or understand you would both change … " He got the point and they are still married and HAPPY.

i have done past life reads and i wonder if i am just reading her present problems for instance let say a person has now an issue with their right leg and has been to many doctors and none can find anything wrong. then i tell i saw her wagon fell over and it landed on her right leg and crushed it. to her it fit real well. so am i just reading her issue with her leg and making a story fit.thanks st

Some years ago – oin-line a kid 21 …

His thumb started to hurt and it was painful. He to went to the doctor and they could find nothing wrong with it at all. Finally he went on-line and sought out a "past life" possible answer. He was told various past-life 'stories' … and then one person suggested. Could it be genetic? Based on he lived in the Northern Part of Europe and is part of a very large fishing community. The person suggested that he talk with his grandmother about his grandfather .. did he have a thumb injury? The kid was surprised by this, because his grandfather lost his thumb – but it was never told how it happened.

Well long story short – he found out his g'father lost his thumb at the same age his started to hurt. (His grandfather died just a few month prior to his turning 21.

The thing is we do not know just how much genetics can play in a person's life….

I'm sure I've posted here (??) the story of the PLR that told my wife she drowned in past life – She was amazingly accurate to how my wife's great-great grandmother drowned – right down to the River and the Family Reunion.

We know this because my mother-in-law has researched (genealogy) and found journals and newspaper reports and such. We knew how and when and where her grandmother drowned in a River in Oregon at family reunion.

The woman giving the PLR'ing was upset … for which I told her, I'm not sure why you are upset. Do you realize what you just did? She did not … and would not treat (acupuncture) my wife again. She sent her to another doctor in the office.