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Careful, one might misconstrue that.

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As for everything going to hell, it's actually been kinda peaceful around here as of late, in my opinion.

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Careful, one might misconstrue that.

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Wow, go on vacation for a few days and everything goes to hell.

You're banning people now? *raises eyebrows* Wow

Nobody has been banned yet. The person in question has been given a temporary suspension to give them a chance to modify their behavior. This even after they challenged the admins here to ban them. Now, it's their choice what they do if/when they come back to the forum. If they can abide by forum rules, then they will be welcomed back no problem. If they choose to continue creating a hostile environment for the forum posters here, then a ban will be enforced.

As for everything going to hell, it's actually been kinda peaceful around here as of late, in my opinion.

Wow, go on vacation for a few days and everything goes to hell.

You're banning people now? *raises eyebrows* Wow

We've never banned a regular forum member. But we will if our forum rules are repeatedly broken and there is no willingness on the member's part to follow them.

We've been more than fair to all of our members here, and I don't think we ask too much of our members to follow forum rules.

You're banning people now? *raises eyebrows* Wow

If you are going to do it, do it.

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i wish it hadnt come to this.

thank you for dragging me over here dawk,

i'll always be so grateful to you for doing that.

*big hug*

There have been plenty of instances where you have referred to those who might have views different than yours as ignorant and stupid, especially in the area of religion and God. The mere fact that one can't state beliefs on this site without you then demanding to see proof makes for a very harassing environment, an environment I really don't want to foster here. We can't even discuss said ideas without you jumping in and making it uncomfortable at times to post.

I'm just laying it out here for you since you obviously have no clue as to why we feel you are here only to cause dissention and troll the forum. Why must you continually run rampant over the beliefs of others? Why constantly ask for evidence or proof from others when you know that no evidence or proof for said beliefs exist?

As for drama, there is usually no drama until you interject your obvious (to you) superior viewpoints into the discussion, and trust me you make it loud and clear that you think that you are smarter than most of our posters. I have tried to be understanding, and you have been given multiple opportunities to modify your behavior toward your fellow members and follow our forum rules.

No, I really don't want to ban anyone, but I will for the betterment of our Website. You may not see the way you go about your questioning as harassing, but I have had many PMs from those who find that your behavior makes it very uncomfortable for them to post here. When it comes down to it, this forum just doesn’t seem to be the right fit for you.

If you are going to do it, do it.

Asking for evidence is harassing behavior? Sounds like drama to me. Someone once said if you don't want ridicule, don't have ridiculous beliefs. I'd bet you can't find one instance of me ridiculing anyone here (besides myself) but if you can go ahead and ban me.

There have been plenty of instances where you have referred to those who might have views different than yours as ignorant and stupid, especially in the area of religion and God. The mere fact that one can't state beliefs on this site without you then demanding to see proof makes for a very harassing environment, an environment I really don't want to foster here. We can't even discuss said ideas without you jumping in and making it uncomfortable at times to post.

I'm just laying it out here for you since you obviously have no clue as to why we feel you are here only to cause dissention and troll the forum. Why must you continually run rampant over the beliefs of others? Why constantly ask for evidence or proof from others when you know that no evidence or proof for said beliefs exist?

As for drama, there is usually no drama until you interject your obvious (to you) superior viewpoints into the discussion, and trust me you make it loud and clear that you think that you are smarter than most of our posters. I have tried to be understanding, and you have been given multiple opportunities to modify your behavior toward your fellow members and follow our forum rules.

No, I really don't want to ban anyone, but I will for the betterment of our Website. You may not see the way you go about your questioning as harassing, but I have had many PMs from those who find that your behavior makes it very uncomfortable for them to post here. When it comes down to it, this forum just doesn’t seem to be the right fit for you.

while i have seen a certain amount of intolerance here it generally comes from those with deeply held beliefs. it is human nature to defend that which moves us the most passionately.

perhaps we need to insert a disclaimer into some threads, ie: no contrary questions/comments allowed, just posts re: our beliefs. (i am not being snarky; maybe people need a place to post exactly what they feel/believe in without having to justify/explain said beliefs.)

dawkins talks to everyone the same way. if he didn't, i would see it as condescending. we communicate how we communicate. i am not defending him as he has no need for me to do so, but i am surprised at the anger generated and suggestions of someone not agreeing with one's viewpoint being invited to leave.

i am not good at this, i know. so i ask for tolerance now.

I think what he did in this thread is considered flamming which is against the forum rules.

In my opinion, just because he speaks to everyone this way isn't an excuse for his antagonistic behavior. He's a grown man and should have acquired the skills necessary to discuss his beliefs or views, or those of others, in a respectful manner.

I'm certainly not hopeful he will leave because his views differ from mine, (in fact, I didn't say what my beliefs were or if his views differed from mine) but because of the way he harasses and antagonizes those with beliefs different from his.

perhaps we need to insert a disclaimer into some threads, ie: no contrary questions/comments allowed, just posts re: our beliefs. (i am not being snarky; maybe people need a place to post exactly what they feel/believe in without having to justify/explain said beliefs.)

dawkins talks to everyone the same way. if he didn't, i would see it as condescending. we communicate how we communicate. i find this much more honest than someone who posts something intended to be offensive but then types a smilely face so he can pretend he meant nothing by it. i am not defending him as he has no need for me to do so, but i am surprised at the anger generated and suggestions of someone not agreeing with one's viewpoint being invited to leave.

i am not good at this, i know. so i ask for tolerance now.

Actually evolution is still just a theory. Prove to me 100% that men evolved from some kind of ape hybrid. The thing is you can't, just as I can't prove that there is a God.

The fact still remains that I have to prove nothing to you because I don't give a rats a$$ whether you believe in God or not. Believe, or don't believe, what you want, it matters not to me.

Nor do you have a clue fully as to my world-view. As for those who share your views, maybe you should spend your time on a board that caters more to your taste rather than constantly asking for evidence of those who believe in God here, a belief which you obviously don't share. It just seems that many views here upset you so much. It seems to me your time would be better served elsewhere instead of wasting it here. I'm sorry, but it is not my responsibility, nor anybody else's, to explain to you how we think the universe might work. Find it out for yourself.

I personally am tired of your constant harassment of those who believe differently than you and the condescending nature with which you speak to others. As an owner of this forum, I originally created Paranormal Underground as a place where people could come and post their viewpoints unmolested, without fear of harassment and ridicule, and with the realization that the opinions presented here are just that, and not declarations of how the universe works. It seems you can't handle an opinion different from your own, and continually harass people to prove to you that their viewpoint is supported by evidence. If that is what you're looking for, find another forum.

Asking for evidence is harassing behavior? Sounds like drama to me. Someone once said if you don't want ridicule, don't have ridiculous beliefs. I'd bet you can't find one instance of me ridiculing anyone here (besides myself) but if you can go ahead and ban me.

That makes two of us!

I've yet to figure out his burning need for proof that God exists. You'd think if he were as comfortable as he says he is in his own beliefs he wouldn't care what others believe or why they believe it.

It was perfectly clear by his post that he came to this thread for the sole purpose of disrupting the conversation and harassing those participating in it.

"And none of the past dozen or so posts have one lick of evidence in their favor." "Good thing because you can't".

Clearly he is an unhappy man and derives great joy out of making those around him equally unhappy.

Lets hope he takes your suggestion and finds another forum better suited to his beliefs and needs!

Unhappy? Not hardly.

Actually evolution is still just a theory. Prove to me 100% that men evolved from some kind of ape hybrid. The thing is you can't, just as I can't prove that there is a God.

The fact still remains that I have to prove nothing to you because I don't give a rats a$$ whether you believe in God or not. Believe, or don't believe, what you want, it matters not to me.

Nor do you have a clue fully as to my world-view. As for those who share your views, maybe you should spend your time on a board that caters more to your taste rather than constantly asking for evidence of those who believe in God here, a belief which you obviously don't share. It just seems that many views here upset you so much. It seems to me your time would be better served elsewhere instead of wasting it here. I'm sorry, but it is not my responsibility, nor anybody else's, to explain to you how we think the universe might work. Find it out for yourself.

I personally am tired of your constant harassment of those who believe differently than you and the condescending nature with which you speak to others. As an owner of this forum, I originally created Paranormal Underground as a place where people could come and post their viewpoints unmolested, without fear of harassment and ridicule, and with the realization that the opinions presented here are just that, and not declarations of how the universe works. It seems you can't handle an opinion different from your own, and continually harass people to prove to you that their viewpoint is supported by evidence. If that is what you're looking for, find another forum.

That makes two of us!

I've yet to figure out his burning need for proof that God exists. You'd think if he were as comfortable as he says he is in his own beliefs he wouldn't care what others believe or why they believe it.

It was perfectly clear by his post that he came to this thread for the sole purpose of disrupting the conversation and harassing those participating in it.

"And none of the past dozen or so posts have one lick of evidence in their favor." "Good thing because you can't".

Clearly he is an unhappy man and derives great joy out of making those around him equally unhappy.

Lets hope he takes your suggestion and finds another forum better suited to his beliefs and needs!

I can certainly provide evidence for claims I make. Evolution, germ-theory of disease . . . what I can't do is prove a negative, though I can offer argument.

Actually evolution is still just a theory. Prove to me 100% that men evolved from some kind of ape hybrid. The thing is you can't, just as I can't prove that there is a God.

The fact still remains that I have to prove nothing to you because I don't give a rats a$$ whether you believe in God or not. Believe, or don't believe, what you want, it matters not to me.

No one on this board has the first clue as to my world-view. No one. That I do not find belief without evidence a virtue is shared by a great many.

Nor do you have a clue fully as to my world-view. As for those who share your views, maybe you should spend your time on a board that caters more to your taste rather than constantly asking for evidence of those who believe in God here, a belief which you obviously don't share. It just seems that many views here upset you so much. It seems to me your time would be better served elsewhere instead of wasting it here. I'm sorry, but it is not my responsibility, nor anybody else's, to explain to you how we think the universe might work. Find it out for yourself.

I personally am tired of your constant harassment of those who believe differently than you and the condescending nature with which you speak to others. As an owner of this forum, I originally created Paranormal Underground as a place where people could come and post their viewpoints unmolested, without fear of harassment and ridicule, and with the realization that the opinions presented here are just that, and not declarations of how the universe works. It seems you can't handle an opinion different from your own, and continually harass people to prove to you that their viewpoint is supported by evidence. If that is what you're looking for, find another forum.

Isn't that what makes them beliefs.