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OfflineI would say no, I've actually taken to using a Sharpie to cross it off of all of my currency.
Let me ask this, are you limiting this to ONLY the US?
For any government to promote any religion on currency is wrong. So, would that also make it wrong to have Darwin on money? Although it doesn't promote any one religion, it's still a figurehead for lack of.
OfflineShould the currency of the United States have "In god We Trust" printed on it? Should government be promoting religion of any sort in any way in this country? If you believe so, please tell me why.
Honestly, I've never thought about it.
It's not something I'm concerned about when I look at money.
But, I am concerned at how our country just keep going on and on to make the dollar almost worthless.
Why were we so blind!
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No. Not really. If anyone is swayed towards or against "religion" because of a 4 word phrase printed on currency…. the problem is not with the currency.
It's not that people are swayed towards or against religion, their minds are already made up. That's why some do or do not have a problem with the phrase.
Know what I mean?
Should the currency of the United States have "In god We Trust" printed on it? Should government be promoting religion of any sort in any way in this country? If you believe so, please tell me why.
I believe this propaganda first appeared on paper currency in the 50s. Of course one might ask "which god?" Yahweh? Thor? Allah? Shiva? Which of the thousands might we trust? Once we agree to establish that, we've violated the spirit of the First Amendment to the Constitution, regarding establishment of a "State" religion. Keep it off currency, relegate it to home and church. My vote.
OfflineI beleive this country was built of the beleif of christianity and should stay that way. I know it seems unfair to all, but I think there are many more problems to look at at the moment than if God's name is on the currency we hold or not. God was a symobol of hope and something to look forward to in life, but beleif in him has also caused many wars and confrontations. However, that was mans fault. I do not beleive it matters whether or not his name is on the dollar bill, for if a person is a true beleiver of whaterver God he beleives in, then it doesn't matter if millons of people around him worship his God or not. And even if a person does not beleive in God, then why would it matter to them. The money serves its purpose, it allows us accest to certain goods, so why should we care what is on it? Americans live in a country where they are free to do many things, and I think that living in this country is a privlage, and by trying to do something about such a minute detail is unamerican. However, that is my view, and I am not saying it is correct or incorrect, I am just stating what I beleive.
OfflineI beleive this country was built of the beleif of christianity and should stay that way. I know it seems unfair to all, but I think there are many more problems to look at at the moment than if God's name is on the currency we hold or not. God was a symobol of hope and something to look forward to in life, but beleif in him has also caused many wars and confrontations. However, that was mans fault. I do not beleive it matters whether or not his name is on the dollar bill, for if a person is a true beleiver of whaterver God he beleives in, then it doesn't matter if millons of people around him worship his God or not. And even if a person does not beleive in God, then why would it matter to them. The money serves its purpose, it allows us accest to certain goods, so why should we care what is on it? Americans live in a country where they are free to do many things, and I think that living in this country is a privlage, and by trying to do something about such a minute detail is unamerican. However, that is my view, and I am not saying it is correct or incorrect, I am just stating what I beleive.
tho we have been taught that America was built on the belief of christianity, i think that is a latter-day notion to support the powers that be.
from Wiki:
Deism in the United States
Thomas PaineIn the United States, Enlightenment philosophy (which itself was heavily inspired by deist ideals) played a major role in creating the principle of separation of church and state, expressed in Thomas Jefferson's letters, and the principle of religious freedom expressed in the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. American Founding Fathers, or Framers of the Constitution, who were especially noted for being influenced by such philosophy include Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Cornelius Harnett, Gouverneur Morris, and Hugh Williamson. Their political speeches show distinct deistic influence. Other notable Founding Fathers may have been more directly deist. These include James Madison, John Adams, possibly Alexander Hamilton, Ethan Allen [35] and Thomas Paine (who published The Age of Reason, a treatise that helped to popularize deism throughout America and Europe). Elihu Palmer (1764-1806) wrote the "Bible" of American deism in his Principles of Nature (1801) and attempted to organize deism by forming the "Deistical Society of New York."
Currently[update] there is an ongoing controversy in the United States over whether or not the country was founded as a "Christian nation" based on Judeo-Christian ideals. This has spawned a subsidiary controversy over whether the Founding Fathers were Christians, deists, or something in between.[36] [37] Particularly heated is the debate over the beliefs of Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington.[38] [39][40]
Benjamin Franklin wrote in his autobiography, "Some books against Deism fell into my hands; they were said to be the substance of sermons preached at Boyle's lectures. It happened that they wrought an effect on me quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough Deist. My arguments perverted some others, particularly Collins and Ralph; but each of them having afterwards wrong'd me greatly without the least compunction, and recollecting Keith's conduct towards me (who was another freethinker) and my own towards Vernon and Miss Read, which at times gave me great trouble, I began to suspect that this doctrine, tho' it might be true, was not very useful."[41] [42]
For his part, Thomas Jefferson is perhaps one of the Founding Fathers with the most outspoken of Deist tendencies, though he more often referred to himself as a Unitarian. In particular, his treatment of the Biblical gospels which he titled The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth, but which subsequently became more commonly known as the Jefferson Bible, exhibits a strong deist tendency of stripping away all supernatural and dogmatic references from the Christ story.
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OfflineIn response to the statement that this country was founded on Christian principles, I think people need to keep their fingers out of my religion. To each his own I say.
As for the money issue, organized religion is dead to me so it really doesn't matter, though I would argue that God is different to each individual.
I hold discourse with my creator in my heart, not in some building designated as the point of communication by those who wish to control how I view myself, and my relation to the world. Most can be viewed as opportunist who wish to isolate the flock from the world and empty their pockets of what little cash they might have left, some are no better than the sinners they preach against.
OfflineI beleive this country was built of the beleif of christianity and should stay that way.
No. Utter fallacy.
In response to the statement that this country was founded on Christian principles, I think people need to keep their fingers out of my religion. To each his own I say.
Yes, to each their own, however, it's the religious that need to keep their "fingers" to themselves and not impose their beliefs on the country.
*Disclaimer: I hold no belief that all religious types are bad or impose on others.My statements are for the people in the world who think that it's okay to tell me that I'm a heathen and deserve to go to their hell. Just for the record.
From an article from American Atheists.org:
"In 1861, the Reverend M.R. Watkinson persuaded the secretary of the Treasury to try to introduce 'In God We Trust' as a motto on the coins of the land, arguing on the theological premise that in a Judeo-Christian nation, 'There is but one God.' Congress, then beginning to be responsive to the religious community and the votes that it was presumed to control, passed the Coinage Act of April 22, 1864, which designated that 'In God We Trust' be put on coins 'when and where sufficient space in the balance of the design' would permit it."
Rev. Watkinson's missive was directed to Secretary of the Treasury Samuel P. Chase. It read:
"Dear Sir: You are about to submit your annual report to the Congress respecting the affairs of the national finances.
One fact touching our currency has hitherto been seriously overlooked. I mean the recognition of the Almighty God in some form on our coins.
You are probably a Christian. What if our Republic were not shattered beyond reconstruction? Would not the antiquaries of succeeding centuries rightly reason from our past that we were a heathen nation? What I propose is that instead of the goddess of liberty we shall next inside the 13 stars a ring inscribed with the words PERPETUAL UNION; within the allseeing eye, crowned with a halo; beneath this eye the American flag bearing in its field stars equal to the number of the States united; in the folds of the bars the words GOD, LIBERTY, LAW…"
Seven days after the transmittal of Watkinson's letter, Secretary Chase, on November 20, 1861, wrote to James Pollock, Director of the Mint at Philadelphia. He instructed Pollock to prepare a motto, declaring "No nation can be strong except in the strength of God, or safe except in His defense. The trust of our people in God should be declared on our national coins…" A design was submitted in December, 1863 proposing OUR GOD AND OUR COUNTRY, or the alternative of GOD, OUR TRUST. On December 9, 1863, Chase formally approved a third slogan in a letter to the Mint Director.
"I approve your mottoes (sic), only suggesting that on that with the Washington obverse the motto should begin with the word OUR, so as to read OUR GOD AND OUR COUNTRY. And on that with the shield, it should be changed so as to read: IN GOD WE TRUST."
"In God We Trust" thus appeared on the short-lived 1864 two-cent coin. It has been used continuously on the one-cent coin since 1909, and on dimes since 1916. Since July 1, 1908,"In God We Trust" has also been stamped on gold coins, silver dollars, quarters and half-dollar coins
Watkinson's effort to religionize the coinage was part of a larger campaign waged by a coalition of eleven Protestant denominations under the umbrella of the National Reform Association. Disenchanted with the secularism of documents such as the Constitution, the NRA sought to amend that instrument to "indicate that this is a Christian nation." Petitions were raised and formally presented to Congress. They proposed a new preamble to the Constitution which read:
"We, the people of the United States, humbly acknowledging Almighty God as the source of all authority and power in civil government, the Lord Jesus Christ as the Ruler among the nations, His revealed will as the supreme law of the land, in order to constitute a Christian government…"
The rest can be found here: God On Our Money
An interesting read for anyone interested.
I beleive this country was built of the beleif of christianity and should stay that way. I know it seems unfair to all, but I think there are many more problems to look at at the moment than if God's name is on the currency we hold or not. God was a symobol of hope and something to look forward to in life, but beleif in him has also caused many wars and confrontations. However, that was mans fault. I do not beleive it matters whether or not his name is on the dollar bill, for if a person is a true beleiver of whaterver God he beleives in, then it doesn't matter if millons of people around him worship his God or not. And even if a person does not beleive in God, then why would it matter to them. The money serves its purpose, it allows us accest to certain goods, so why should we care what is on it? Americans live in a country where they are free to do many things, and I think that living in this country is a privlage, and by trying to do something about such a minute detail is unamerican. However, that is my view, and I am not saying it is correct or incorrect, I am just stating what I beleive.
This post is so full of fail it isn't funny.
First of all the First Amendment to the Constitution forbids the establishment of any religion, much less the Christian version. As Missing so correctly points out, many of the Founding Fathers were deists, not theists. And if you read Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli Mr. Jefferson asserts:
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion . . ."
In the Jefferson Bible, Tom razored out all references to the divinity of Jesus, making it one slim volume indeed. I can go on and on, but won't.
OfflineI have yet to see anyone spontaniously combust for the word GOD crossing their minds. I will spend anything as long as its legal.
Lets get one thing absolutely clear, separation of church was specifically designed to avoid control of any specific church from taken control of the government. It did not mean to remove GOD from our society nor to be interpreted as such.
The founders however for the most part made it clear in other writings that a religion was important in AMERICAN Society to insure a sense of morality and decency.
Our society today is taking a beating today simply because some people have no morality at all feeling their is no consequence for their actions.
Asking the questions if GOD is real as a spirit hunter is kind of a strange question considering that we have pretty much got it down to hard evidence that the soul exists which it is mentioned in some of the oldest books written, like the Old Testament. Then there is a pretty good chance that GOD may exist. If that is the case then there is a small but still a chance that such a thing as HELL exists, again small but still a chance. If that is the case there may be just a small chance that there maybe a small chance that you or I could end up in this hell.
To follow 10 simple rules that is in our laws as it is for the most part is not that much of an inconvenience.
To live a somewhat decent life and being a good person isn't really that hard to do.
Just for those small chances that just maybe, maybe that whole religion thing might be dead on, I really dont mind seeing words like " In God We Trust "
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Offlineyour right but offers a guide line in a group setting to help you along the way. No more no less.
I do not advocate religion in anyway to anyone, its a personal choice to which it is my personal choice. If not having it works for you to be a good person hey more power to you.
But speaking of the intentions of our founders, it is often misunderstood.
Offlineyour right but offers a guide line in a group setting to help you along the way. No more no less.
I do not advocate religion in anyway to anyone, its a personal choice to which it is my personal choice. If not having it works for you to be a good person hey more power to you.
But speaking of the intentions of our founders, it is often misunderstood.
here we are in complete agreement.
"We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of dreams." - Willy Wonka (Gene Wilder)
I have yet to see anyone spontaniously combust for the word GOD crossing their minds. I will spend anything as long as its legal.
Lets get one thing absolutely clear, separation of church was specifically designed to avoid control of any specific church from taken control of the government. It did not mean to remove GOD from our society nor to be interpreted as such.
The founders however for the most part made it clear in other writings that a religion was important in AMERICAN Society to insure a sense of morality and decency.
Our society today is taking a beating today simply because some people have no morality at all feeling their is no consequence for their actions.
Asking the questions if GOD is real as a spirit hunter is kind of a strange question considering that we have pretty much got it down to hard evidence that the soul exists which it is mentioned in some of the oldest books written, like the Old Testament. Then there is a pretty good chance that GOD may exist. If that is the case then there is a small but still a chance that such a thing as HELL exists, again small but still a chance. If that is the case there may be just a small chance that there maybe a small chance that you or I could end up in this hell.
To follow 10 simple rules that is in our laws as it is for the most part is not that much of an inconvenience.
To live a somewhat decent life and being a good person isn't really that hard to do.
Just for those small chances that just maybe, maybe that whole religion thing might be dead on, I really dont mind seeing words like " In God We Trust "
Of the many bald assertions made in this post, the one that tickles me the most is the one concerning separation of church and state. Or as typed, "separation of church." I'm certain you have no idea as to the context of the phrase; let's make one thing absolutely clear, it appears nowhere in the Constitution, but in a piece of correspondence. Your use of the phrase in your post is highly ironic.
OfflineI have yet to see anyone spontaniously combust for the word GOD crossing their minds. I will spend anything as long as its legal.
Our society today is taking a beating today simply because some people have no morality at all feeling their is no consequence for their actions.
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we have pretty much got it down to hard evidence that the soul exists which it is mentioned in some of the oldest books written, like the Old Testament. Then there is a pretty good chance that GOD may exist. If that is the case then there is a small but still a chance that such a thing as HELL exists, again small but still a chance. If that is the case there may be just a small chance that there maybe a small chance that you or I could end up in this hell.
I'd love to see your proof
To follow 10 simple rules that is in our laws as it is for the most part is not that much of an inconvenience.
"Rules" that come from a book that some people don't feel governs them. That doesn't mean that we don't have common sense and logic to help us figure out pesky things like not to kill people.
Yes, I'll certainly spend money with the word god on it, but I don't have to like it.
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I'd love to see your proof
"Rules" that come from a book that some people don't feel governs them. That doesn't mean that we don't have common sense and logic to help us figure out pesky things like not to kill people.
Yes, I'll certainly spend money with the word god on it, but I don't have to like it.
Three of the rules have to do with the exclusive worship of an omniscient, omnipresent, omnibenevolent, omnipotent yet insecure being.
OfflineThree of the rules have to do with the exclusive worship of an omniscient, omnipresent, omnibenevolent, omnipotent yet insecure being.
I was going to point that out too, but didn't want to diverge too far from the topic.
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