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Could Some Mental Illness Be Unrecognized Psychic Ability?
August 3, 2009
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I'll just copy today's blog. below, and here's my question. Is it possible that some who are suffering from things like depression and bipolar disorder could be experiencing some type of psychic abilities that they don't recognize? What do you think?

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by Karen Frazier, Managing Editor

Paranormal Underground

I'm about to throw around some unsubstantiated theory. Just warning you ahead of time.

This weekend, Jim and I took a trip to Fry's Electronics. I'm not sure how wide-spread Fry's are – I know that there are a few on the West Coast – so for those of you who haven't had the Fry's experience, I will describe it to you. If you go to Fry's, you will need a GPS. Fortunately, they have them. Actually, it would probably be a super-awesome marketing/sales idea for Fry's to sell portable GPS systems to wary shoppers as they walk through the door so that they can find their way around the store. Or maybe they could rent locator beacons with a little display that beeps and shows where you are in the store. Really – it is that big and overwhelming. And full of people. If we're in a down economy, it's not apparent at Fry's.

As the name implies, Fry's has electronics. Zillions and zillions of electronics. Acres of electronics. There – that's what they should call it. Fry's Acres of Electronics. Maybe I'll get in touch with their marketing department today and offer to sell them my very viable marketing solutions.

Anyway – this blog is – surprisingly – not about Fry's. It is about empathy. I think.

I get extremely overwhelmed in places like Fry's – big, huge stores teeming with humanity. It's hard to explain, but I actually can start to feel this buzzing in my cells that is very uncomfortable. My thoughts begin to flip all around. It is not pleasant.

This doesn't just happen at Fry's. It happens pretty much anywhere that masses of humanity congregate. I can be distracted from it for a while, but eventually it all becomes overwhelming and I just have to get out. I find that it is less so at places where the masses of humanity are there with a common purpose – like a concert or a sporting event. It is dampened in open air. In a closed in space – something with a roof – it is worse.

I've mentioned before that I don't do well living in apartments, dorms or other places where I am in constant close proximity to large numbers of people on a daily basis. I have that same buzzing in my cells, but it is continuous and inescapable. I experience confusing random emotions that have little or nothing to do with how I am actually feeling.

Jim and I were discussing this on our drive home from Fry's. Over the years, I have thought that maybe I was crazy. When I am away from all of that, however, I am just fine.

Currently, we live in a house on top of a hill. It is pretty much in the woods. We have a few neighbors, but they are separated by at least an acre of space on any side. We also live in a tiny town with less than 6,000 residents. Here, I am just fine. I don't feel bombarded by emotions that I just don't understand.

I have always been this way – since I was a small child. I've always felt others very keenly. Whatever those around me were feeling, I would feel it, too. When I was very little, I lacked the emotional maturity to understand empathy, and it was very difficult to separate how I was feeling from the deeply held emotions of others. I also lacked the language to describe it. I can remember feeling people in 'colors'. I can remember weeping inconsolably at the sadness of a friend or bouncing off of the walls with excitement when others were excited.

In 1974, I was eight years old. My family took a trip to Spokane to the World's Fair – Expo '74. It was physically and emotionally overwhelming to me. All of the bodies. The wall of feeling that emanated from all of the people. My cells buzzed. I was dizzy. I was nauseated. I became physically ill. It was not a pleasant experience for me – and I'm guessing it wasn't for my parents, either. I'm pretty sure I drove them crazy with how overwhelmed I was by it all.

It was also the first time that I realized that whatever was going on with me wasn't normal, and it wasn't something that was very acceptable. I never spoke of it. With anyone. I still don't talk about it to many people. Except in my blog. Good thing only four of you read it.

I was labeled an oversensitive child. As I say, I am sure it drove my parents nuts, but at the same time, if I'd tried to describe what was happening with me, I'm not sure how well that would have gone.

The one person that I do wish I'd talked about it with was my grandmother. Looking back, I realize that maybe, just maybe, this thing that has always gone on with me might have been going on with her, as well, although she may have been even less aware of it than I have been.

My grandmother was a wonderful woman. I adored her. At Christmas, she was more excited than the kids were. She was the one you found under the Christmas tree shaking gifts. And she always guessed every single one of them. One year on her birthday, we went to a Farrell's Ice Cream Parlor. She happily ate a huge ice cream sundae as her lunch. It was, after all, her birthday.

Her childlike joy and wonder was one of the things that I loved about her, but there was another side, as well. My grandmother suffered from severe, debilitating depression. While it was somewhat controlled by medication, she appeared to have a very broad range of emotion that was extremely intense. She also suffered from severe, debilitating migraines (which she passed on to me).

It makes me wonder. Was my grandmother really depressed, or was she empathic? She was a vibrant, alive, amazing woman.

This is where the unsubstantiated theory comes in. Could it be that some people who are diagnosed with some form of a mental illness – whether depression, bipolar disorder or something else – are actually just more sensitive to the psychic energies of those around them? Perhaps mental illness isn't always what it seems. Maybe, in some cases, it is a highly intuitive, empathic or sensitive person who hasn't learned to shield themselves from all of the energies that bombard them.

I learned at an early age how to shield myself from the onslaught of the random emotions to some extent. It was a survival tactic. There was a trade-off, however. Because I never learned healthy ways to shield myself, I spent a lot of years completely walled off from feeling much of anything. If an emotion came – even one of my own – I would quickly block it out. It has only been in recent years that I have trusted myself enough to know which emotions are actually genuinely mine and which don't belong. Not that my system is perfect, by a long shot. But I no longer block nearly as much as I did. This means that I feel a lot more of the deeply sad emotions – but I also experience a lot more of the joy, so it is a trade-off that I am willing to make. After years of blocking, there is a sweetness there – even to the difficult emotions.

I have never been on any kind of a psychotropic medication; however, I did take Topamax as a means of controlling my migraine headaches for about a year. It controlled the headaches, but it did something else. It took all of those emotions that I'd worked so hard to reclaim and tucked them somewhere deep inside of me where they were merely fuzzy outlines. Anything I felt seemed to be muffled by a thick, downy blanket. I didn't like it. It felt like everything that I'd worked so hard to earn and reclaim was gone. I stopped taking the medication, and it all came roaring back full force. Fortunately, this time I was prepared.

What does it all mean? I don't know really. Certainly my brain is wired differently than others. Or perhaps it isn't. Perhaps we all have the same capacity and the same wiring – but some have learned to tuck it all away, or to shield themselves from it. I have come to believe, however, that whatever it is I am experiencing is a gift that was passed on from my grandmother to me. Like her, I know exactly what is in each of those brightly colored boxes under the Christmas tree. Like her, I can connect with and experience the joy and excitement that I knew as a child. And like her, I can feel deeply what others feel. In the end, maybe that is all I really need to know.

August 3, 2009
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I only know you from here. But, you are a deeply feeling, and caring individual.

At times, I think mental illness may be over used in certain situations.

I think empathy is a good thing, it's the connection with people, feeling them.

Imagine if you didn't have it, you may be empty. Serial killers, etc, are profiled to have little emotion and feeling of others.

Maybe, this is just one part of your gift. /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

August 3, 2009
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I only know you from here. But, you are a deeply feeling, and caring individual.

At times, I think mental illness may be over used in certain situations.

I think empathy is a good thing, it's the connection with people, feeling them.

Imagine if you didn't have it, you may be empty. Serial killers, etc, are profiled to have little emotion and feeling of others.

Maybe, this is just one part of your gift. /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

I think it is overused – we are an overmedicated society, that's for certain. I do wonder if what we see as brain chemistry that points towards mental illness – maybe that is the chemistry of someone who has psychic sensitivities or other gifts. Interesting to contemplate, anyway.

August 4, 2009
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Interesting theory. Not surprising in this day and age it seems everyone is diagnosed with somethingLuckily, I've never been diagnosed, though generally you don't really think you are crazy, when you aren't crazy.

Anyway, my mother and sister do not display anything that could be called psychic. I'm not saying that it can be misdiagnosed if someone were to have some super-extra-strength empathic abilities, but I wouldn't think that most mental cases fall into that category. Certainly, empathy is probably one of the most proven "psychic" abilities. It is there and it is real. It has to do with body language and little details, but even more so there is something else that gives you a glimpse into more than a person's basic emotion at the time. I'm sure most people here have looked at someone they've never met and knew exactly what personality the person had, whether they were honest, and probably could even guess close to the person's life (as in how they live). Body Language and intuition alone can't account for that.

And I completely agree with NoWhammies of the over-medication of our society. If a child is a little hyper, as most kids are, they are medicated after being "diagnosed" with Riddlin. If a person is depressed while dealing with a perfectly normal grieving process or just a stressful time in their life period, they get a prescription. If a person is essentially neutral and "unemotional" seeming most of the time, then you have some sort of emotional disorder and are medicated.

I'm not even sure that psychiatrists even talk anymore, unless its the diagnoses for medication and then monitoring medication vs. disorder severity.

August 4, 2009
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I think it is overused – we are an overmedicated society, that's for certain. I do wonder if what we see as brain chemistry that points towards mental illness – maybe that is the chemistry of someone who has psychic sensitivities or other gifts. Interesting to contemplate, anyway.

Yup, I was being kind. But it really is over used. One more drug commercial, (the warnings are longer than ad time), I'll scream.

My daughter, 26, was the start of the dawn, of the schools let's drug the elementary children. ADD, ADHD.

She did not have it, which I already new thru our relationship with our pediatrition.

Short of it, early elementary education was trying to have stepford children, imo.

I was appalled at the school teacher, and could not believe some parents actually went along with the school.

I don't find it odd, that half of a class of six year old children gets up from their seat on occasion.

Find it very normal for a healthy active six year old, but this is what the teacher based the need for medication. Sick!

My sister, early 60's teaches and works with autistic children, mostly teens.

She feels a few of these teenagers she has worked with, may be psychic or sensative.

The feeling is because of what she has observed, when the teen over feels and what has been discussed with her.

August 4, 2009
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I think it is overused – we are an overmedicated society, that's for certain. I do wonder if what we see as brain chemistry that points towards mental illness – maybe that is the chemistry of someone who has psychic sensitivities or other gifts. Interesting to contemplate, anyway.

Maybe you're an empath, I've also felt some of these feelings myself, maybe just to not your degree.

August 4, 2009
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Yup, I was being kind. But it really is over used. One more drug commercial, (the warnings are longer than ad time), I'll scream.

My daughter, 26, was the start of the dawn, of the schools let's drug the elementary children. ADD, ADHD.

She did not have it, which I already new thru our relationship with our pediatrition.

Short of it, early elementary education was trying to have stepford children, imo.

I was appalled at the school teacher, and could not believe some parents actually went along with the school.

I don't find it odd, that half of a class of six year old children gets up from their seat on occasion.

Find it very normal for a healthy active six year old, but this is what the teacher based the need for medication. Sick!

My sister, early 60's teaches and works with autistic children, mostly teens.

She feels a few of these teenagers she has worked with, may be psychic or sensative.

The feeling is because of what she has observed, when the teen over feels and what has been discussed with her.

I think what ppl want to do today is just to have children sit down &be quiet. Physicians have been going along with this obviously. But you know they're all tied into the pharmaceutical industry.

Nothing like big business…

August 4, 2009
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Okay – since we got on this, you know what really grinds my gears?

I have friends who have had the school dictate whether or not their children go on Ritalin. Not a doctor. THE SCHOOL. They tell taxpaying citizens that if they don't dope their kids, then they will have to seek their education elsewhere. WTF???

I'd better stop before I rant. Oh. Wait. I did.

August 4, 2009
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Okay – since we got on this, you know what really grinds my gears?

I have friends who have had the school dictate whether or not their children go on Ritalin. Not a doctor. THE SCHOOL. They tell taxpaying citizens that if they don't dope their kids, then they will have to seek their education elsewhere. WTF???

I'd better stop before I rant. Oh. Wait. I did.

I really, really hope that a school does not attempt to force that on me when my boys get into school. I'd hate to see someone lose their job over me.

August 5, 2009
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I really, really hope that a school does not attempt to force that on me when my boys get into school. I'd hate to see someone lose their job over me.

I do think this is rare (I live in a pretty conservative place). I also think that some kids actually do need to be on medication. It's a tough line to walk – using medication appropriately vs using it to stop kids from being kids. Same goes for anti-depression and anti-anxiety meds. While I think we are an overmedicated society, I know people who truly are incapable of functioning without the medication. Where we go wrong is when people think that because they have a few days here and there of feeling blue or go through a period of stress that they need to be medicated to get through that. I've seen actual depression and actual anxiety up close and personal with some of the people I care about – and it isn't just feeling sad now and then. It was, for them, before they went on the medications, constant and debilitating. Having feelings – the full spectrum of them – that's just part of being human.

August 5, 2009
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With the stigmas that mental conditions

evoke in traditional society almost any symptom of a mental

condition could be reflected on by the sufferer and deemed

to be only manifestations of a hidden mental capacity or talent.

Just as there are Savants who display higher areas of function

I would tend to believe that mental conditions could be a marker

for enhanced mental abilities as well. Did any of that come across

the way I meant it to? /blink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' />

August 5, 2009
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With the stigmas that mental conditions

evoke in traditional society almost any symptom of a mental

condition could be reflected on by the sufferer and deemed

to be only manifestations of a hidden mental capacity or talent.

Just as there are Savants who display higher areas of function

I would tend to believe that mental conditions could be a marker

for enhanced mental abilities as well. Did any of that come across

the way I meant it to? /blink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' />

yep – you're fine. Unless you were trying to be mean. Then you didn't communicate well at all.

August 5, 2009
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yep – you're fine. Unless you were trying to be mean. Then you didn't communicate well at all.

No, Whammies I was not being mean. I meant everything mentioned above in a

context of a person being able to control any of the abilities discussed. Someone once told

me that every living person has a degree or more of a mental lean. All my years have taught

me is that I know I do ! I am a functioning leaner for lack of a better term. Other people are not

as lucky and help is needed. I did not mean for anything I said above to be taken offensively.

Sometimes my "lean" is my inability to clearly articulate thoughts.

August 5, 2009
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No, Whammies I was not being mean. I meant everything mentioned above in a

context of a person being able to control any of the abilities discussed. Someone once told

me that every living person has a degree or more of a mental lean. All my years have taught

me is that I know I do ! I am a functioning leaner for lack of a better term. Other people are not

as lucky and help is needed. I did not mean for anything I said above to be taken offensively.

Sometimes my "lean" is my inability to clearly articulate thoughts.

Oh sorry, Jon. I was just teasing you. I'm off my game today. My head is wonky.

August 6, 2009
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I do think this is rare (I live in a pretty conservative place). I also think that some kids actually do need to be on medication. It's a tough line to walk – using medication appropriately vs using it to stop kids from being kids. Same goes for anti-depression and anti-anxiety meds.

Oh sure, but I don't want some random school teacher/school authority telling me that I need to medicate my kids. I can see if the child is a problem that they'd bring it to my attention and maybe tell me that they can't handle it I suppose, but diagnosing and pre-prescribing my children medicine would seriously agitate me.

August 14, 2009
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I have always wondered if the severity, and pure amounts, of those in mental hospitals aren't so much psychotic as they are haunted.

Having studied psychology, abnormal to criminal, as well as all my personal time spent studying, researching and comparing paranormal complaints, I wonder how many patients are in fact possessed.

In the book, "Glimpses of the Devil: A Psychiatrist's Personal Accounts of Possession, Exorcism, and Redemption" by: M. Scott Peck, really covers this area. He's a pastor who is also a psychiatrist. He breaks down three cases that would have normally been overlooked as a possession by the medical society, until he took the patients on as his own.

I had my own experiences while reading these books; shadows, feeling of being assessed and watched, etc. I'm pretty strong with my protection, mantras, and seeing guidence but still felt shaken when reading some of the accounts in the book.

Anything M. Scott Peck is wonderful. Another book:

People of the Lie: The Hope for Healing Human Evil by: M. Scott Peck

Friggen intense good book! It breaks down "evil" people like murders etc. It makes you wonder how many of them are possessed as well.

It's not really the brain itself, it's the nerve cells/nerve endings that have been really attributed to schizophrenia. They are believed to have developed faulty, malfunctioning. Those with speech hallucinations, it has been focused or centered on the area of speach in the brain "Broca'a area." This area is where we form "inner speech", or talking to ourselves. With the progressive nature of schizophrenia, it's further believed that later in the development it hits two areas of the brain:

1st – Broca's area, the part that would normally be involved in generating inner speech.

2nd – Auditory Cortex, the part that would normally be active while listening to another person speaking to them.

A person with schizophrenia first produces words in their brain, much like all of us. However, for us it's just an internal voice, for them it's like it tricks the auditory cortex, allowing them to believe they're "hearing" voices, thus attributing to an external factor, rather than an internal voice.

August 14, 2009
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I think another valid question is: "Is the brain simply the physical link from our mind". Mind could be synonymous with soul or spirit I suppose. I've always considered both different, as conscious reasoning seems to be above just biology. The brain is an interpreter of external sensations and after processing would be what actions are based from. If that were true, then why do we have emotions that can't really be explained away by instinct at its base? For instance monogamous love would go against primal instinct.

If your theory of possession is correct, then such psychosis caused by synapses firing off irregularly could be caused by something else internal, such as a demon as the brain would be interpreting another mind so to speak. That may be part of multiple personality disorder as well, right?

August 21, 2009
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This is fascinating to me, because it takes two very largely unexplored things that we know little about – our minds and the paranormal. Science has never been able to really pin down human consciousness in any tangible/quantifiable way. And obviously we know how quantifiable the paranormal is.

Now I'm going to have to go out and get that book Regan recommended.

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Hi Karen, it's Jill from the GH Forums. We had talked via email about the paranormal experiences we both had that were very similar.

It's certainly been a long time since we've last spoke. With the utter business of life I had all but forgotten to create an account here- or visit at all. So I just was perusing around and read this. And obviously this blog was written quite awhile ago- but all I have to say is wow. I am in shock- I know EXACTLY what you are talking about. Every word. Any time I've gone into the city, or a large venue, or anywhere with lots of people- I could just feel an overwhelming vibration of, i don't know, emotion I guess? That feeling you're describing- your cells feeling it all- that's exactly it. I can't remember it not happening. Some times more than others, though.

And I'll tell you, I thought I was going crazy. To the point that I set up an appointment with a therapist recommended by a friend. And I was so glad that I went to her. This therapist dealt with dream analysis and female spirituality. When I explained what I was going through, she explained that what I was having an intuitive psychic experience, and could quite possibly be an empath. She said I'm just more sensitive on an emotional level-more tuned in to others. I even said, it sometimes feels like I’m feeling everything from everyone all at once. And my body can't handle it. My mind can't handle it.

We worked on me learning to control myself and close off when I need to, and eventually I could go to visit friends ect. in cities, but I still tend to shy away from overly populated/busy areas and stores. I don't go to the mall. Like you, I live in a small town(3,000 people), on 2 acres in the woods. And this is where I feel most ‘comfortable’. Sometimes I find myself closing off completely, and then, while I like the quiet, I miss the busyness of feeling those things.

I can't help but think, however, that this might be exactly like you. I must say I'm quite astonished to have found someone who has experienced such similar things as me!

Now that I've gotten that all out, I'll have to finish reading all the responses to this!

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