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OfflineIf anyone here has read the Dresden File Books then they will know what I am talking about. In book three "Grave Peril" Dresden talks about cemeteries have fences for a reason, it's not to keep people out, it's to keep things in. I have always found this interesting and most of the cemeteries that I have visited or driven by have some sort of fence around it. The simplest that I have seen is just a barb-wire fence but it's still a fence. However, there is one cemetery that I drive by at times that has no fence whatsoever around it. For some reason this bothers me.
So I'm wondering how cemeteries have you seen that do not have fences around them?
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OfflineFrankly, I've never really taken note before. I would generally think that just from a practical standpoint and not a spiritual one, there would be fences. Security and all.
I'll have to be more observant of this in the future.
Interesting topic.
OfflineIf anyone here has read the Dresden File Books then they will know what I am talking about. In book three "Grave Peril" Dresden talks about cemeteries have fences for a reason, it's not to keep people out, it's to keep things in. I have always found this interesting and most of the cemeteries that I have visited or driven by have some sort of fence around it. The simplest that I have seen is just a barb-wire fence but it's still a fence. However, there is one cemetery that I drive by at times that has no fence whatsoever around it. For some reason this bothers me.
So I'm wondering how cemeteries have you seen that do not have fences around them?
The area I live in, is Penn Charter land 1681. My township was established in 1725. Historically, very old.
I visit cemeteries all the time, fascinated about the history of the people who settled my area.
On a drive, or a vacation, I will visit old cemeteries that look interesting. Mostly read head stones, and look for generational connections.
Never read the books, but always wondered about the fences. Where I live, are many horse farms and farms. While I'm riding, I have found many groupings of tomb stones on farm properties. Usually in a small area with trees, with planting fields around it. No fences, but I don't know if one would consider this a cemetery, or a family plot. The people I spoke with, third and fourth generation said this was common for land owners to bury on their property.
My area also has many old Friends Church Buildings. The was a large Quaker settlement. Most of these churches, have a fence around the church property, including the cemetery. But, the cemetery has it's own separate fence within the property fence from the church. I know of least 10 like this. Go figure, I have no idea, one should be enough. The fences are made of stone and are very old. I've done local historical research, for my township, but have found nothing on this.
Then, there are some cemeteries on back roads with no fencing. In towns and cities it seems to be quite common in my area to have fencing around a cemetery. I guess security, reasons.
My father is buried in a large Veterans cemetery, no fencing.
While in Scotland, Ireland, and England I visted cemeteries, they all had fencing of some sort. Whether very old, or newer. The chuches were the same as in my area, seperate fences for the cemetery. Even a few very old graves at the side of a road had a stone wall around it, with a gate.
Maybe it's a tradition, our early settlers brought with them.
OfflineMost of the cemeteries I see locally (rural north Texas) have fences but many have only a fence along the front with sides open to wooded areas. I see nothing mystical about a fence around a cemetery, I figure most are constructed just to define the boundaries. I'm sure that some cemeteries have had fences put up because of superstitions but I believe that most of the time, here in the U.S. at least, it is done more out of practicality, ownership boundaries being more often defined by the location of a fence rather than than a legal description. During the settlement of the western portions of the U.S. fences were probably constructed around the cemeteries to keep the livestock out. It would probably be a bit disconcerting to a relative of the deceased to see free range cattle relieving themselves on a loved ones grave, not to mention the damage that would be caused by cattle or sheep rubbing against grave markers.
OfflineI've never really thought about it, but now that you mention it all the cemeteries around me have fences.
Like GhostlyDesigns though there are ones that just have a simple fence in the front and the other 3 sides
are defined by woods. Now that I think about it all 3 cemeteries in the small town I grew up in are like this.
Fence in the front and woods around the other 3 sides. So unless woods can "hold things in' nothing is being
held in, and obviously nothing is being kept out either. I guess it's probably just to define the boundaries, or
for aesthetic reasons in some cases. The Catholic cemetery has an ornate fence, the town cemetery has just
a green pipe that runs between pillars and the third cemetery has a modern chain link fence.
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OfflineI agree, most are just simple fences around here like I said and there is one that I go to that has an old cast iron fence that goes about it about 2/3 of the way. It's little things like this that I noticed that stick out in my mind.
Ghostly Designs, where abouts in far North Texas are you? I used to live in Dallas for 4 years before moving back south to Waco.
OfflineAll the cemetaries I have seen have fences, I only thought they were for security reasons. My grandma in Oklahoma lives next to the old small town cemetary, they have a fence. I had no idea that the cemetary was so close to the house until the next day that I was there. Will Sampson, Chief Bromden in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, is buried there, he is Creek Indian like me.
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OfflineThe cemeteries around here are 50/50. Half have fences, half do not. Being familiar with several local cemetery boards, the main and only reason for a fence is for looks. Actually, the main cemetery in town here that I go to all the time wants to have a fundraiser to raise funds to put in a decorative front fence on the property. Some cemeteries have fences on the sides to show the property line since usually on either side of them are residential property. There are several here that like was mentioned before are adjoined on the back end by woods.
Cemeteries are businesses also. Decorative fences make their grounds look good, and hopefully attract clientelle. (Not to sound morbid) The more people who come in to buy lots for their future use, the better off the cemeteries are….basic economics.
OfflineWe also have to remember that the garden type cemetery is relatively new, 19th century.
They were designed to attract people for more than just burial. Older burial sites were random plots, areas or church yards that used fences to designate boundaries.
I do recall reading once that several hundred years ago a superstition of fencing did play a part in confining the dead.
OfflineThere are two cemeteries within my county. One is a "Forest Lawn" they are very elaborate and have a huge cinderblock wall to keep people from messing with graves. They even have police throughout the place on a regular basis. People here take their graves very seriously. The other cemetery is only known as "The old cemetery". It is very old and people are no longer buried there. Although there are flowers now and then. There is a chain link fence because sadly a lot of people have vandalized it before. One group cut the head off an angel.
I have seen at least one cemetery without a fence though, it was Los Angelus Chinatown and was for Buddhists. Although I heard according to their faith there are no ghosts, the soul just gets reincarnated. Which is odd because I know I've heard some Buddhist ghost stories before. It was a beautiful cemetery I might add.
I think the hollywood hills cemetery has no fence either, but I might be wrong.
OfflineThere are 2 by me one is an older small (1 Acre) the other is Huge and neither have fences. As a kid my sister told me that when driving past a cemetery without a fence to not breathe so I would not breathe in any spirits which I still do to this day /tongue.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
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There are 2 by me one is an older small (1 Acre) the other is Huge and neither have fences. As a kid my sister told me that when driving past a cemetery without a fence to not breathe so I would not breathe in any spirits which I still do to this day
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When we were kids, like elementary school age, we'd hold our breath while walking or driving past cemeteries years and years ago. Though for us it didn't matter if it had a fence or not! I still think of that as an adult, too. Isn't that funny how it works?
There's a cemerty by Cleveland, OH where my Grandpa is burried. He died when I was only 5. To this day, every time I drove past that cemetery with my Mom she yells "HI GRAMPAAAAA!". That's been going on for almost 30 years now…
Traditions are traditions!
OfflineI was about 9 when my great-grandfather died. We went to the funeral, gravesite, etc and I was a little concerned that the cemetary was about a quarter-mile from his house-where we were staying with great-grandma.
The only thing was this was two or three nights after I saw Night of the Living Dead, so I spent a sleepless night watching for him to walk up to the front door…
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