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Thought about Demons/Negative Entities
November 12, 2009
6:02 am PDT
sammaine
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Earlier, I had a thought about what many in the paranormal community refer to as demons or negative entities. Most ghosts I have heard stories about date back to maybe 1700s in the US (unless its a Native American story), and in other places maybe as far back as 1400s. But what about earlier people? Now I'm not sure how far back you could go in the U.S., but over in Europe etc. there were people much farther back. What if there are spirits from these really really old time periods, and these older spirits see our modern culture(s) as evil etc.? Maybe they feel they have to rid the world of evil, and since they see us as evil or what we do as evil, they scratch/push/shove/etc. and are labeled demons?

And as a possible explanation for older spirits in the U.S. and the rest of N. America, perhaps they were carried here attached to objects that our ancestors brought over?

November 12, 2009
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I'm sure a Puritan ghost would think a lot of today's society as evil.

November 12, 2009
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You seem to have a lot of thoughts floating through your thread.

* Older Spirits / Attachments to ancestors & heirlooms

* Time Theory/ Time Line

* Demons or Negative haunts

There are a lot of theories out there about why we, United States, do not see the older hauntings like that of Ireland. The main theory that seems to be widely accepted is that of the fact the US isn't as old as Ireland; that's prevalent when you break down East Vs. West coasts as well. As the West coast is newer we don't have haunts that "old" per se.

Now, not all spirits that are old are negative or hostile. Demons, of course, are purely religious based; no matter the religion "demons" are throughout. It's very half hazard to label an older haunt a demonic or hostile. We will never rid the world of "evil", just as we will never "bring unity to the paranormal community." Just because a spirit scratch/push/shove/etc doesn't make it evil, demonic, etc., label a tantrum for what it is. Having worked a demonic / hostile haunt case I can tell you first hand that it is so, SO SO, dangerous to jump and assume that a case is demonic based.

We are given free will; whether Christian, Atheist, Buddhist, we are all given the ability of free thought. With that comes choices, good and bad. We essentially create our own demons.

November 14, 2009
6:19 am PDT
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Earlier, I had a thought about what many in the paranormal community refer to as demons or negative entities. Most ghosts I have heard stories about date back to maybe 1700s in the US (unless its a Native American story), and in other places maybe as far back as 1400s. But what about earlier people? Now I'm not sure how far back you could go in the U.S., but over in Europe etc. there were people much farther back. What if there are spirits from these really really old time periods, and these older spirits see our modern culture(s) as evil etc.? Maybe they feel they have to rid the world of evil, and since they see us as evil or what we do as evil, they scratch/push/shove/etc. and are labeled demons?

And as a possible explanation for older spirits in the U.S. and the rest of N. America, perhaps they were carried here attached to objects that our ancestors brought over?

I don't know about older spirits and the attachment to objects being brought to our country.

Would there be any difference in a recent spirit at one home, saying a family has heirlooms from the spirit.

The family moves and takes the heirlooms with them. Does the spirit stay or leave, if the spirit was attached to the object (family heirloom) ?

November 14, 2009
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My thoughts on demons are this: I believe that evil comes from human beings and human consciousness. I don't know that there is such a thing as a "force of evil." There are a lot of evil, jerky, mean people in the world. If they remain as pure consciousness after their bodies die, wouldn't those elements of evil sort of hang on? In other words, if you are a **** in life, it seems to follow that you might be a **** in death, as well.

My other thought on demons and "evil haunts" is that they may be something created by our own fears. We all can accept "good" – but in order to truly experience good we also have to have an awareness of its opposite. Really good and evil are just degrees on the same thermometer – much like hot and cold are just degrees on the spectrum of temperature. We accept the good but we fear the evil. I find that fears are very powerful thought forms. Perhaps we cause "evil" to manifest because we fear it so strongly and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Jim and I were discussing evil and good the other day. I have always argued that you can't tell whether is something that is good or bad – ever. Jim used the example of the role that Judas played in the death of Jesus. Most Christians would say that Judas' act of betrayal was "bad" or "evil", and yet – without Judas' act of betrayal, Jesus wouldn't have died. If Jesus hadn't died, then Jesus wouldn't have risen. If Jesus hadn't risen, then there would be no Christianity.

A simpler example is my former ****-bag boss, Sam, who I felt for years was a purely evil human being. He made my life miserable for most of the eight years I worked my job. Sam was a minor player in a family run company, and I was always confident that I had enough support from the rest of the family that ran the company that my job was safe. Until Sam got the perfect storm – a job market flooded with cheap talent, an economy that caused the company to experience a precipitous drop in profits, etc. At that time, Sam was finally able to sway the others to his "side", and I was laid off. Was that bad or good? Well – it was douchey – but really, the fact that I lost my job has impelled me to new projects like the documentary, my book, the book I co-wrote with Lisa, Ghost Knight Media and more. I am far happier now than I ever was working for Sam. When I worked for him, I would go home and cry because he was so horrible to me. I'd say that Sam's presence in my life ultimately became the impetus for positive things in spite of his actions, which seemed very negative.

Or, I could just be really tired and blithery – because I just woke up enough to notice that I have my sweat shirt on backwards.

December 19, 2009
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Good or evil is a matter of perspective. In general anyway. I mean yes there are people like Dahmer or Gein who are seen as "evil" in most peoples opinion because of what they did. They made a conscious decision to kill then objectify or use the body parts in various ways. It could be argued, however, that they had no choice in their actions because of mental illness. Is someone who is driven to do something like the above evil if they don't know any better or are ill? Or is the illness itself a causation for or a symptom of evil?

There was a study in which a mother and daughter were found to have murdered numerous members of their community over some unspecified amount of time. I don't remember the particulars of the study or the outcome, but I would have to suspect most who read this would consider a mother and daughter murdering for whatever reason over and over would have to be considered evil. Any one would be perfectly understood in thinking so. The only catch to the whole thing is that the two females in question were chimpanzees. So can chimpanzees be evil?

According to the Gnostic's, Judas was one of two who were closest to the Christ, Magdalene being the other. Judas was instructed by Jesus to turn him in so the prophecy could be fulfilled. Without the death an resurrection of the Christ, man could not reach enlightenment(the kingdom of heaven).

Thats an extremely abridged version of the story but it illustrates the point. So was Judas Evil? Not in my opinion, but thats just me.

He very well could have been. But then again, he could have also been cursed by god to walk the earth forever feeding on the blood of man as well.

Or he could have been reborn as a slug.

jmho

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