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Does anyone have any information, thoughts or opinions on the Limestone Theory in relation to Paranormal Activity?
My upcoming examination is of a home that literally sits on top of Limestone caverns.
I have read all the stuff I could over the years on the limestone theory, which isn't much. Limestone is very common all over yet there just is no substantiating evidence for support. So they are just theories but as someone pointed out, so is the whole paranormal field to this point. lol
However, since the formation of limestone is created and predominately based on the death of living organisms (regardless of how small) maybe there is something to the theory in that respect. Which is why I am asking for personal opinions on the theory. So far I have gotten some interesting comments. Thanks in advance for your input.
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I do believe that the presence of limestone increases paranormal activity. Unfortunately, it's very difficult to gather what most consider "solid evidence" to support this theory.
I've personally investigated numerous locations that had a strong presence of limestone either in the walls or foundation. Each time the amount of activity was rather high. EVPs seem to be especially strong in such places as are the possibilites of light anomolies.
My feeling at this point is that limestone is particullary good for holding residual energy, hence we get more evidence of residual hauntings in locations with a strong limestone component. It's a known fact that at least some stones can hold information. Crystals have been used for this purpose for some time. Perhaps limestone, due to its makeup, is capable of holding "energy" in ways we are yet to fully understand.
As I'm sure many of you do, I often look to history and folklore for further information in relation to hauntings. Over the years, I've looked to various aspects of limestone in realtion to traditional magical practices and found some interesting things. Here are just a couple that have stood out:
First, limestone is believed by many magical practioners to be an "energy enhancer" It's often added to spells or rituals to increase the power of the working.
Perhaps even more interesting, I have found limestone used in magical processes to "capture" spirits. I've questioned some elders about such ideas but the roots of this are far in the past, hence the "why does it work" is lost to them.
I have also found some native traditions that speak of the ability of spirits to "live" in limestone. Interesting idea when we consider it's organic nature.
So yes, I do support the "limestone theory". Great topic, I could go on and on.
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Great topic, I could go on and on.
Please do. If and when things come to mind.
I am on the fence on this one but crystals and other mineral properties are reasons I haven't dismissed this theory as just folklore. Just because I don't understand it or can't figure it out doesn't mean there is nothing to it or should be looked into further.
Although I may never be convinced, I am quite intrigued. I will always hold to the credo of Absence of Evidence IS NOT Evidence of Absence. Wish I would have coined the phrase but I am content to just use it.
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Well, I am packed and ready to go early tomorrow morning. They are calling for severe thunderstorms here on the East Coast and I have to drive 2 hours in it to get to the examination.
Oh well, thunder, lightening, rain, wind and ghosts. What could be better.
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At least the atmosphere will be conducive for it.
As for the limestone theory, I'm in the middle on it. A good portion of the US has limestone under it. To me if that's the case then why are there not more hauntings then what we hear about. Maybe the limestone has to torn from the ground and used in buildings or something. If that is the case, limestone was used in a lot of the local court houses around here. But I can't recall hearing any stories about them.
Let us know what you find.
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At least the atmosphere will be conducive for it.
As for the limestone theory, I'm in the middle on it. A good portion of the US has limestone under it. To me if that's the case then why are there not more hauntings then what we hear about. Maybe the limestone has to torn from the ground and used in buildings or something. If that is the case, limestone was used in a lot of the local court houses around here. But I can't recall hearing any stories about them.
Let us know what you find.
I am of the same mind. No evidence and not enough hauntings around places with large deposits of limestone.
In fact what you said about the court houses brings to mind that the Great Pyramid of Giza is made entirely of limestone and was constructed specifically for the dead and you don't hear of many stories about that being haunted or such places.
I am pretty sure the incidents in the home we are going to and the proximity of the limestone caverns is just coincidence.
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Great topic- I've wondered about this for a long time. My home(and the surrounding area) is right on top of a load of limestone, and near several water sources, which seems to go hand in hand from what I've heard- and there are is a lot of paranormal activity.
I do believe that there's something to it, considering it's organic nature. When you consider where your typical spirit comes from- it's within ourselves. Body has past, and all that's left is our own sentient energy. If you believe the concept that this form of spirit needs to find more energy- tangible physical energy- in order to form into something visible/audible ect., then I would think that limestone would be a good source.
I was actually in a conversation with someone on the syfy forum about where spirits hang out when we're not experiencing them- I've got my own theories, but them hanging out in limestone is definitely a new, and very interesting one, to me.
Can't wait to hear about your findings /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />
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Can't wait to hear about your findings
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Update:
Went to the caverns first and talked to the owner and a few of the workers & tour guides. They were very interested in the theory and helpful too. The caverns are considered living limestone as there is still running water through the caves. The caves also actually run far enough back that they could be right under the home although no official check has ever been made to the cave owner’s knowledge. As far as they know only 2 reported incidents of questionable paranormal activity have occurred in the past 81 years.
One was of some sounds or talking which I would expect is quite explainable for caves. The other not so much. Apparently a man was at the farthest part in back of the caves where there was a little boy. The boy looked at the man and ran towards him. The man thinking the boy was with another party, bent down to catch him and the boy ran through him. He story is just that however, a story. It wasn’t documented, just passed along by word of mouth. So there is no way of knowing the date, etc. or interviewing the person who experienced it if that person is even alive.
An interesting piece of information that I did find out, is that the property was originally a limestone quarry started by the original owner of the home we examined. He also is the person who, while blasting the limestone uncovered the entrance to the caves. The caves were not disturbed and in 1929 the family of the present owners saw the potential of the caverns being a tourist attraction and purchased the property. They put in walkways and railings and opened it to the public in 1930. The present cave owners have been in possession of the caverns for 81 years and bought it from the descendents of the original home owner.
Interestingly enough 1930 was the first reported incident that we know of in the home we examined. Coincidence I am sure but food for thought and there is a connection between the home and the caves. The examination presented us with a few personal experiences but I guess that would fall under another forum topic…
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Update:
Went to the caverns first and talked to the owner and a few of the workers & tour guides. They were very interested in the theory and helpful too. The caverns are considered living limestone as there is still running water through the caves. The caves also actually run far enough back that they could be right under the home although no official check has ever been made to the cave owner’s knowledge. As far as they know only 2 reported incidents of questionable paranormal activity have occurred in the past 81 years…
Thanks so much for the update! This really is one of the most interesting investigations of the paranormal I've heard of. Good luck with this endeavor! I look forward to hearing more in the future /biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':P' />
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Hi all! For 12 years I lived near an old limestone quarry in Western PA which is now a private "nature preserve" but open to anyone. I wish someone would investigate this place – not just some limestone in the ground there but a massive amount. Don't go there at night, the pit is 40 feet high.
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/…..pittsburgh…h/s_383039.html
From another article: The 59-acre Ackermann Nature Preserve near Ardara, North Huntingdon Township, is mostly wooded, with existing primitive trails, a creek, and a long history of use by nature lovers, thanks to the previous owners who have allowed the public to enjoy it for a number of years.
“This property was purchased in 1937 by Otto and Magdalene Ackermann and it has been in the family ever since,” Duritsa explained. “Now that the second-generation heirs are getting up in age, they wanted to do something to ensure that the property would remain as a natural area for the public to enjoy in perpetuity. Their answer was to put it in the care of the Westmoreland Land Trust.”
This property is retaining its current name “The Otto and Magdalene Ackermann Nature Preserve.”
I would use "natural area for the public to enjoy" loosely…The first thing you come upon when you walk behind the gate into the area is a creepy pet cemetery. That aside, I am a person who is in the woods all the time and the feeling of being watched the deeper you get in this place is simply amazing. Just behind the limestone pit is the Old Brush Creek/Leger Road cemetery, long rumored to be haunted. I drove past it daily for years and could never get up the nerve to even set foot in it, and I don't have any issues with cemeteries. It has been investigated several times but I don't think anyone knew about the quarry behind it.
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Hi all! For 12 years I lived near an old limestone quarry in Western PA which is now a private "nature preserve" but open to anyone. I wish someone would investigate this place – not just some limestone in the ground there but a massive amount. Don't go there at night, the pit is 40 feet high.
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/…..pittsburgh…h/s_383039.html
From another article: The 59-acre Ackermann Nature Preserve near Ardara, North Huntingdon Township, is mostly wooded, with existing primitive trails, a creek, and a long history of use by nature lovers, thanks to the previous owners who have allowed the public to enjoy it for a number of years.
“This property was purchased in 1937 by Otto and Magdalene Ackermann and it has been in the family ever since,” Duritsa explained. “Now that the second-generation heirs are getting up in age, they wanted to do something to ensure that the property would remain as a natural area for the public to enjoy in perpetuity. Their answer was to put it in the care of the Westmoreland Land Trust.”
This property is retaining its current name “The Otto and Magdalene Ackermann Nature Preserve.”
I would use "natural area for the public to enjoy" loosely…The first thing you come upon when you walk behind the gate into the area is a creepy pet cemetery. That aside, I am a person who is in the woods all the time and the feeling of being watched the deeper you get in this place is simply amazing. Just behind the limestone pit is the Old Brush Creek/Leger Road cemetery, long rumored to be haunted. I drove past it daily for years and could never get up the nerve to even set foot in it, and I don't have any issues with cemeteries. It has been investigated several times but I don't think anyone knew about the quarry behind it.
Hi Lauren and welcome to PUG!
The area you described sounds very cool. And a pet cemetery too! lol
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I do have a giant piece of limestone in my office that I feel brings some positive energy into my workspace but that is just my opinion.
I have worked in 3 different limestone buildings that were all constructed in the 1800's. I did have a brief experience in one of those buildings that I believe was paranormal. Still, one out of three isn't too impressive for the theory.
When going on an organized ghost tour of supposed haunted locations, the tour guide said that the the limestone used to build is conducive to paranormal activity (Ft. Riley, KS). At another location, (The Stanley Hotel in Estes Park, CO), the tour guide there said that the granite was responsible. I have also heard that water is a conductor for paranormal activity.
I can't say yay or nay on the Limestone Theory for sure but I think it is possible.
In regards to supposed haunted locations, I think it is probable that the guides will say almost anything to make it so /dry.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />
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I do have a giant piece of limestone in my office that I feel brings some positive energy into my workspace but that is just my opinion.
I have worked in 3 different limestone buildings that were all constructed in the 1800's. I did have a brief experience in one of those buildings that I believe was paranormal. Still, one out of three isn't too impressive for the theory.
When going on an organized ghost tour of supposed haunted locations, the tour guide said that the the limestone used to build is conducive to paranormal activity (Ft. Riley, KS). At another location, (The Stanley Hotel in Estes Park, CO), the tour guide there said that the granite was responsible. I have also heard that water is a conductor for paranormal activity.
I can't say yay or nay on the Limestone Theory for sure but I think it is possible.
In regards to supposed haunted locations, I think it is probable that the guides will say almost anything to make it so
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Well, although I have found no definitive proof of limestone having a connection to paranormal activity it still holds an interest. Much of limestone is made of former living organisms regardless of how small so that is a type of connection possibly.
I was stationed at Ft. Riley in the early 70's and it was my oldest sons’ first duty station in the 90's. A lot of weird stuff went on back then.
As far as water having a connection I am not sure but in my research I have found that a lot of horrific murders & deaths occur near bodies of water.
In any case they are interesting avenues to explore as to why they would be connected.
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Ft. Riley is a very interesting post and they are always restoring one historical building after another here. They have just begun work on the old jail in bldg. 216. The fact that there is always a renovation project going on somewhere on the fort could stir up more than asbestos.
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While limestone is often noticed in supposedly haunted locations, is there actually a cause and effect relationship? The jury appears to be out on that factually. It should be possible to study this by comparing the locations of large limestone deposits with reasonbaly believable haunting reports. That might establish a bit more factually whether this idea has anything to it or not.
I do believe that the presence of limestone increases paranormal activity. Unfortunately, it's very difficult to gather what most consider "solid evidence" to support this theory.
I've personally investigated numerous locations that had a strong presence of limestone either in the walls or foundation. Each time the amount of activity was rather high. EVPs seem to be especially strong in such places as are the possibilites of light anomolies.
My feeling at this point is that limestone is particullary good for holding residual energy, hence we get more evidence of residual hauntings in locations with a strong limestone component. It's a known fact that at least some stones can hold information. Crystals have been used for this purpose for some time. Perhaps limestone, due to its makeup, is capable of holding "energy" in ways we are yet to fully understand.
As I'm sure many of you do, I often look to history and folklore for further information in relation to hauntings. Over the years, I've looked to various aspects of limestone in realtion to traditional magical practices and found some interesting things. Here are just a couple that have stood out:
First, limestone is believed by many magical practioners to be an "energy enhancer" It's often added to spells or rituals to increase the power of the working.
Perhaps even more interesting, I have found limestone used in magical processes to "capture" spirits. I've questioned some elders about such ideas but the roots of this are far in the past, hence the "why does it work" is lost to them.
I have also found some native traditions that speak of the ability of spirits to "live" in limestone. Interesting idea when we consider it's organic nature.
So yes, I do support the "limestone theory". Great topic, I could go on and on.
Really Nice Threads
Thanks,, /sad.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />
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In my own investigation of LIME STONE, I found some interesting points, most of which have been brought up here.
IF .. Limestone is suppose to be a "Cause/Effect" of Paranormal Activity, THEN there should be a lot more activity around these quarries.
With mines and such being a probable part of this, accidents and death – natural and other wise would be 'here'. So there would be – should be some sort of activity. Basically …> NO.
As for "Voices" – on Geology Teacher in College addressed this. Moisture and such causes rocks to "creak" (speak) .. even something as 'minor' as body temp in a cave can cause a temp change and cause subtle creaks (speaks) in the walls. He even showed us examples of "EVPs" where ya, with very little imagination you heard, "hi" – "geet ooot" and such.
Basically what I call the Gestalt Effect.
Our mind applies "reasoning-understanding" to that which it can. The same applies to vague and unclear sounds. Our mind tries to "clear it up". … "Well it sounds like…" Well ya it could sound like " " – because our minds helps us "hear" the unclear.
I mean, look at it this way:
We know and can duplicate Heat Expansion. When "heat is applied" "this" WILL HAPPEN -> Always.
We know the same is true with COLD.
We know how to duplicate that annoying Cold Static Discharge during the winter.
So the Limestone Theory … should be easily reproducible … other wise well the theory is not very solid, "HIT AND MISS" with it being far more a MISS then HIT … pretty much … well takes it out the "Theory" stage and into … well … I guess we could call it, at best an UNRELIABLE THEORY.
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Really Nice Threads
Thanks,,
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Why the sad face edwardmartinEdwa?
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I was wondering about that as well.
I do believe that the presence of limestone increases paranormal activity. Unfortunately, it's very difficult to gather what most consider "solid evidence" to support this theory.
I've personally investigated numerous locations that had a strong presence of limestone either in the walls or foundation. Each time the amount of activity was rather high. EVPs seem to be especially strong in such places as are the possibilites of light anomolies.
My feeling at this point is that limestone is particullary good for holding residual energy, hence we get more evidence of residual hauntings in locations with a strong limestone component. It's a known fact that at least some stones can hold information. Crystals have been used for this purpose for some time. Perhaps limestone, due to its makeup, is capable of holding "energy" in ways we are yet to fully understand.
As I'm sure many of you do, I often look to history and folklore for further information in relation to hauntings. Over the years, I've looked to various aspects of limestone in realtion to traditional magical practices and found some interesting things. Here are just a couple that have stood out:
First, limestone is believed by many magical practioners to be an "energy enhancer" It's often added to spells or rituals to increase the power of the working.
Perhaps even more interesting, I have found limestone used in magical processes to "capture" spirits. I've questioned some elders about such ideas but the roots of this are far in the past, hence the "why does it work" is lost to them.
I have also found some native traditions that speak of the ability of spirits to "live" in limestone. Interesting idea when we consider it's organic nature.
So yes, I do support the "limestone theory". Great topic, I could go on and on.
Nice Threads Keep it up
Thanks,,, /wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
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