As far as the Mobius concept. It makes sense and the experiment you propose would definitely be a worthy endeavor. The question is what causes the rift to begin with.

I personally don't know what to make of the concept of time. The whole thing warps me. Kind of like trying to visualize the end of the universe.

Damnit, now I have something else I need to research. /blink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' />

I\ve found that forum searching for something different ( which I have forgotten right now lol) and I found myself reading that thread. The concept of time in general is pretty fascinating, especially being able to watch really events through time and space.

As Zaxxon mentioned

I guess the simile would be thinking of time as a straight line in 2D is the norm, however, what if time were as a sphere - in 3D by having some sort of depth that we just haven't thought of yet?

If we are able to experience time as not linear and is exactly a 3d spiral,where time becomes a moving point, rather than a linear perception, our awareness might expand and we might be able to experience things that we perceive now as not that possible.

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However, I wouldn't think that humans would necessarily act in the same way even though they are physically the same. Reason being that humans are not robots and evolve depending on their surrounding conditions.

I'm not sure I follow. Are they different entities that are similar or the same one? If you are seeing the past, then it should be the exact same past, right?

People also react to what is going on around them in different ways which can easily change the future so I don't think the future is set which is why we couldn't see into the future. Taking into account these incidents are being seen in the same spot as it is happening.

I think the rules would probably be the same for the timeline with your theory. If time does loop upon itself, then the "future" would be seeing glimpses of us. Not that it means that you are wrong, just simply that as those entities of the past do not seem to be aware of us, so then we would not be aware of someone from the future.

So if you were seeing through into the present then it wouldn't look any different so no one would notice. As far as not seeing yourself. Unless you were at that same location in the past you would be able to see yourself.

People are at the same places all of the time. We are creatures of habit after all. We should be seeing our past selves at some point if time tends to loop upon itself in certain instances.

I also believe what we see is probably only in OUR own past. In scientific terms one belief is that time may run in a loop but that time runs its course and comes to an end. When time gets to the end of the loop it ends and starts again, not continues. Basically you have the big bang, life runs its course, universe implodes destroying everything and then the big bang all over again. So although time runs constantly, anything we experience would be in our time loop only.

Personally, I think the theory is that time will continue regardless of the rest of the universe. Time, as space, is here persistently. Just because we are no longer around to measure it, it would keep going. HOWEVER, I think I see what you mean. If the Big Bang happened the exact same way, then would not everything happen again in the same exact way? Interesting thought for sure!

For now it is all only my harebrained idea and can be shot down by anyone. However, here is an experiment we are going to do as soon as we work out a good location. In the event that mankind can someday breach time, and travel into the past, then this experiment could tell us now that it is possible.

Sure, people have ridiculed and shot down different theories over time and those critics have been proven wrong as soon as the theory is refined essentially through the scientific method and proven. Just because I believe that it is completely and utterly impossible to travel in our own timeline doesn't mean that I think that you shouldn't continue on your quest! Heck, I certainly could be wrong.

I can see validity in other similar timelines I suppose, but traveling on our own timeline creates all kinds of singularities. To disprove me, you must disprove that time is linear at all and has some sort of more depth. I guess the simile would be thinking of time as a straight line in 2D is the norm, however, what if time were as a sphere - in 3D by having some sort of depth that we just haven't thought of yet?

Who knows.

How is it that you only see the "past" and not people from the future or the present? Or even yourself?

Not that I know for sure but I believe that time has the capability of reproducing the physical in the same way. However, I wouldn't think that humans would necessarily act in the same way even though they are physically the same. Reason being that humans are not robots and evolve depending on their surrounding conditions. People also react to what is going on around them in different ways which can easily change the future so I don't think the future is set which is why we couldn't see into the future. Taking into account these incidents are being seen in the same spot as it is happening. So if you were seeing through into the present then it wouldn't look any different so no one would notice. As far as not seeing yourself. Unless you were at that same location in the past you would be able to see yourself.

I also believe what we see is probably only in OUR own past. In scientific terms one belief is that time may run in a loop but that time runs its course and comes to an end. When time gets to the end of the loop it ends and starts again, not continues. Basically you have the big bang, life runs its course, universe implodes destroying everything and then the big bang all over again. So although time runs constantly, anything we experience would be in our time loop only.

For now it is all only my harebrained idea and can be shot down by anyone. However, here is an experiment we are going to do as soon as we work out a good location. In the event that mankind can someday breach time, and travel into the past, then this experiment could tell us now that it is possible.

We need a secure location that will still be undisturbed for the time needed to learn time travel. In this location we bury a time capsule that will last just as long. In the capsule all you need is a written document stating the time, location and who is present asking them to travel there and make contact. Then when it is uncovered in a million years, the people uncovering it will know an exact time & location and who they are to meet also knowing they are expected.

So, if it is ever possible then theoretically, you would make contact just about the time you buried the capsule. Ok, maybe I'm nuts and have too much time on my hands. lol Time for another cup of coffee.

Going along with your theory I have one question. If it is a time loop and people could disappear by walking into, how come no one has written from the past to tell us or even become a notable predictor of the future?

I believe in residual hauntings but I don't believe they are ghosts. I believe them to be phychic events played over and over. It's usually a strong emotional event that is witnessed often by just a point of view like looking out a window or a door and seeing like the story provided a war scene or soldiers walking by.

At least that's my theory about them.

If the theory is possible then people to this point would be unaware of how to return if they breached the portal. Depending on the time period they returned to, I think it would be unwise to say the least, to run around telling everyone they were from the future.

Who's to say no one has written from the past? Could someone like Nostradamus have been one of these people? I would think that anyone trying to let the people of the future know what was possible, would have to wirte in some sort of code so as to not be hung, burned or drawn and quartered for being in league with Satan.

I don't have all the answers either and this is only something I am looking into as, black holes causing a distortion in time has some basis in main stream science. People have been using the same methods, termiology, etc for over 70 years with the same results. Basically nothing. I am just not content with following these and think we should be looking in other directions for our answers or at least be asking new questions.

I believe in residual hauntings but I don't believe they are ghosts. I believe them to be phychic events played over and over. It's usually a strong emotional event that is witnessed often by just a point of view like looking out a window or a door and seeing like the story provided a war scene or soldiers walking by.

At least that's my theory about them.

Or, if you like, you can e-mail me privately

I shot you an email. Talk to you later...

Hi Carolyn,

We have talked before but I wasn't able to stop by when I was there last time. However, I will let you know when I am in town this Sept and I will stop by if you are available.

I want to also shoot you a personal email regarding this persons experience. If that is ok. I still have your email.

Back on topic. Put simply as I can I am finding that there are a lot of this type incident in and around Gettysburg. Although Gettysburg isn't the only place these have happened I am finding that more are happening here than many other places combined. Since they are happeing in a relatively small area it is making me lean towards the belief that the area may be engulfed in some type of paranormal blanket rather than there being a place here and a place there. If this was the case then maybe they were drawn to this particular area . It's just a thought for now.

So I am wondering if this blanket may have an effect on things to come. To help form or guide incidents that may not have happened otherwise. Now correct me if I am wrong but some maps I have seen show the South attacking from the North and the North defending from the South of town. From the laymans point of view that looks strange as do other things. A lot also happened during the battle that probably should have had opposite results. Granted I am no historian but I bet one could pick out the oddities of the battle easily.

So now I have another incident to add to the College, Daniel Lady Farm and the Cashtown Inn.

Hi,

Actually, you are correct in the set up of the attack. However, it is not unusual, given the circumstances. I'm getting ready to go to work right now. When things come down later at work, I'll post the events leading up to the battle to help you have a better grasp of the situation. Or, if you like, you can e-mail me privately and I'll explain how and why the battle occurred at Gettysburg.

Carolyn /wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

I'm not certain I follow your thoughts about why you think this is the very reason the battle occurred in Gettysburg and not somewhere else. Just curious.

Carolyn

Hi Carolyn,

We have talked before but I wasn't able to stop by when I was there last time. However, I will let you know when I am in town this Sept and I will stop by if you are available.

I want to also shoot you a personal email regarding this persons experience. If that is ok. I still have your email.

Back on topic. Put simply as I can I am finding that there are a lot of this type incident in and around Gettysburg. Although Gettysburg isn't the only place these have happened I am finding that more are happening here than many other places combined. Since they are happeing in a relatively small area it is making me lean towards the belief that the area may be engulfed in some type of paranormal blanket rather than there being a place here and a place there. If this was the case then maybe they were drawn to this particular area . It's just a thought for now.

So I am wondering if this blanket may have an effect on things to come. To help form or guide incidents that may not have happened otherwise. Now correct me if I am wrong but some maps I have seen show the South attacking from the North and the North defending from the South of town. From the laymans point of view that looks strange as do other things. A lot also happened during the battle that probably should have had opposite results. Granted I am no historian but I bet one could pick out the oddities of the battle easily.

So now I have another incident to add to the College, Daniel Lady Farm and the Cashtown Inn.

This is only my theory and has not had much exposure to the public that I have seen but In my experiences it does explain a lot. This is in reference to what some others call Residual Hauntings. I don't believe in residual hauntings and think the word residual is being used wrong when used in reference to the paranormal. My theory below will explain better what I think may be happening is at least some cases.

There are many sightings around the world which are repetitive in nature. Meaning that many people report seeing the same exact entity or occurrence, time after time in the same place. Like soldiers marching by. A lady walking down the hall. A child playing, etc., and no interaction with the living. This is what some call residual. I think it may be something else.

Now I hope I can explain this well enough for you to understand what I believe may be happening in these instances.

I believe that many of these instances are not Ghost or Spirit sightings at all. I believe what people are seeing is the actual person(s) or occurrence as it is happening in the past. ( NOT what did happen) ( What IS happening) I believe that this occurs thru what I call a rip or rift in the fabric of time. Basically a window in time. A vortex if you will. I believe Vortex's are Black Holes. Black holes are widely thought to be star eating in size by the general public. However, I believe that size has nothing to do with black holes and they do not only have to be in outer space.

Many main stream scientists also believe that time runs in a loop as I do. That everything that happened, happens and will happen, over and over again. Time runs it's course and then starts over. I believe that time runs in a loop too but not in a circle. ( O ) I believe that time runs in a loop more like a figure eight. ( 8 ) But that because time is moving along constantly, the point where the line intersects ( X ), doesn't intersect at the same point but constantly moves back and forth crossing at the same point but at different times. Which is why certain people see these events and not everyone that looks for them.

So, at the point of where the line intersects is where the door opens or rift occurs revealing an exact time in the past to the person(s) who happen to be in the right place at the right time. This may also explain disappearances. Some may have experienced this phenomena and maybe not knowing of it just walked thru to another time then not knowing how to return became stuck there.

A story comes to mind that may lend credibility to this theory. It happened at Gettysburg College in the Admin building. The building was used as a hospital during the Civil War battle of Gettysburg as were other places.

A couple of ladies got into an elevator and pushed the button to go to the first floor. The elevator proceeded to go to the basement. When the doors opened. There in front of them were several people in Civil War uniforms and different attire working in some sort of operating room or field hospital. The person at the center of the attention beckoned her to come forth. She did not go but the doors closed and took her to the floor she first wanted to go to. I wonder if I would have gotten off? I have looked into this but the colleges official stance is that it never happened. However, other people there at the time say it was not an isolated incident. I have also found another story from around Gettysburg that also may fit along this belief but that is another story.

These incidents are one reason I return to Gettysburg every year at different times. I also think the area may be the reason for so many sightings and not necessarily the battle. I also think the area may have been the reason for the battle being there and not somewhere else. A lot of work to do on this but there it is in a nutshell.

So the next time you open a strange door, be prepared...

Oh yes, there is a lot of that going on in Gettysburg.

Last year, at the hotel where I work which is located on the battlefield, we had a incident reported to us by one of the guests. I happened to be working that very night it occurred.

The guest heard the sounds of battle outside his front door around 1:30 a.m. (not unusual). When he opened the door and looked out the scene that appeared before him he was stunned. According to the guest, it was broad daylight, the swimming pool was gone, the hotel wing across from him was gone and in its place he saw 6 union soldiers struggling with a cannon. The soldiers were desperately trying to drag the cannon across the area directly in front of him. He reported that he turned to call to his wife to come and see what he was seeing and by the time he turned back, the scene that had been playing out in front of him was gone. It was night, the swimming pool was there as well as the hotel wing across from him. All was peaceful and quiet once again.

It is interesting to note that I, who do not sleep and am ever vigilant in my response to any noise or activity out of the ordinary, was sitting in the office not 20 feet from the guest's room. I never head a thing (bummer).

It is also important to note that the very incident that the guest saw did, indeed, occur in the very space, on the very property, in the very location where it was reported. On the afternoon of July 1st, 1863, four Union artillery pieces were located on the ground where a wing of our hotel now sits (directly across from the guest's room). Stewart's U.S. Regular's Battalion, Battery B. Those artillery pieces were heavily engaged during that action and were nearly captured. The Union soldiers were able to drag the pieces by hand (the horses having been killed) - two down the Chambersburg Road, one down into the railroad cut behind the hotel, and one across the property near a stone house which later became General Lee's Headquarters (which sits on our property). In the book, "The Story of Lee's Headquarters," by Timothy H. Smith, there is a little known sketch of the very incident in question. I'd have to drag out the book to see who drew the picture, but I think it was one of the soldiers who survived and was involved.

I'm not certain I follow your thoughts about why you think this is the very reason the battle occurred in Gettysburg and not somewhere else. Just curious.

Carolyn

There are many sightings around the world which are repetitive in nature. Meaning that many people report seeing the same exact entity or occurrence, time after time in the same place. Like soldiers marching by. A lady walking down the hall. A child playing, etc., and no interaction with the living. This is what some call residual. I think it may be something else.

Now I hope I can explain this well enough for you to understand what I believe may be happening in these instances.

I believe that many of these instances are not Ghost or Spirit sightings at all. I believe what people are seeing is the actual person(s) or occurrence as it is happening in the past. ( NOT what did happen) ( What IS happening) I believe that this occurs thru what I call a rip or rift in the fabric of time. Basically a window in time. A vortex if you will. I believe Vortex's are Black Holes. Black holes are widely thought to be star eating in size by the general public. However, I believe that size has nothing to do with black holes and they do not only have to be in outer space.

Many main stream scientists also believe that time runs in a loop as I do. That everything that happened, happens and will happen, over and over again. Time runs it's course and then starts over. I believe that time runs in a loop too but not in a circle. ( O ) I believe that time runs in a loop more like a figure eight. ( 8 ) But that because time is moving along constantly, the point where the line intersects ( X ), doesn't intersect at the same point but constantly moves back and forth crossing at the same point but at different times. Which is why certain people see these events and not everyone that looks for them.

So, at the point of where the line intersects is where the door opens or rift occurs revealing an exact time in the past to the person(s) who happen to be in the right place at the right time. This may also explain disappearances. Some may have experienced this phenomena and maybe not knowing of it just walked thru to another time then not knowing how to return became stuck there.

A story comes to mind that may lend credibility to this theory. It happened at Gettysburg College in the Admin building. The building was used as a hospital during the Civil War battle of Gettysburg as were other places.

A couple of ladies got into an elevator and pushed the button to go to the first floor. The elevator proceeded to go to the basement. When the doors opened. There in front of them were several people in Civil War uniforms and different attire working in some sort of operating room or field hospital. The person at the center of the attention beckoned her to come forth. She did not go but the doors closed and took her to the floor she first wanted to go to. I wonder if I would have gotten off? I have looked into this but the colleges official stance is that it never happened. However, other people there at the time say it was not an isolated incident. I have also found another story from around Gettysburg that also may fit along this belief but that is another story.

These incidents are one reason I return to Gettysburg every year at different times. I also think the area may be the reason for so many sightings and not necessarily the battle. I also think the area may have been the reason for the battle being there and not somewhere else. A lot of work to do on this but there it is in a nutshell.

So the next time you open a strange door, be prepared...