There was a discussion on the Paranormal Media board,

that made me think of something. I'm posting it here too,

because it might not get seen there.

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the discussion was why with all the cameras out there

has there never been any really good documented proof

of a ghost. so this thought hit me...

my post from the thread

maybe seeing a ghost isnt really a visual event that can be captured on a camera.

maybe it's more of a mental event. maybe ghosts trigger something in our brain

that lets us "see" them. i dont mean "imagine" them, but actually "experience"

them. if that's the case then all the cameras in the world wouldnt matter. we'd

never be able to photograph them.

i have no basis for this theory, but it's just something that hit me this morning.

maybe it's even been discussed before, I dont know. but we dont "see" with

our eyes, we "see" with our brain. maybe ghosts arent really "things" meaning

not made of matter (which would explain how they can be "seen" and can go

through walls). maybe they are some how able to trigger something in our

brain that lets us perceive them. there is a poster at another board who told

of an incident where he and another person both saw something, but their

camera pointed in the same direction never picked it up. this would account

for that. i wont pretend to have an idea HOW this could happen, but there is

so much possible in the universe that we have no clue about yet.

This theory really hits home with me, it's also something I've been thinking about. I've had a few experiences & have wondered the same thing, was it somehow my brain being told to see what I saw?

One of my experiences I was dead asleep & was woken straight up in bed, not by a noise but just like someone had told me to wake up. It's hard to explain but it wasn't an audible noise, then I saw

an apparition of someone I knew who had died 2 days prior. I know I sound like I'm rambling here, so I'll stop but I get what you're saying about this theory. Food for thought.

and herein lies the problem: because i don't care so much about seeing cait. if truth be told, i just want her back! not as a spirit, not as a ghost, but tangible, living and breathing.

and i wouldn't want to see her as a sepia outline moving by me. i mean, i'm an artist for pete's sake. surely my subconscious could come up with a better image than that.

it's the unexpectedness of appearances that is hard to explain to anyone who hasn't experienced it. it's not as if you were sitting around a table holding a seance. you are just doing everyday things that take the usual amount of thinking to do. you are doing the tasks at hand and dealing with what's in front of you.

then WHAM! something happens and you are taken aback and caught off guard. you question what just happened, you think well, that's nuts. you try to talk yourself out of what you saw/experienced.

but you can't because it did. it's not really even a matter of believing or not, it's just that you know what happened, happened.

and believe me when i say i am firmly grounded in reality. much more so than i wish.

You guys moved to a new topic and I just now found this thread:)

Im the guy who posted the topic about "after all this time, why hasnt a TV show camera caught SOMETHING?"

This is an interesting theory, one that I do understand is valid because we're all operating in the paranormal world here which, by definition, means ANYTHING GOES. So, the new theory is that camera's cannot catch evidence because these Paranormal Incidents are only viseable to the minds eye.

Ugh.

If this is true, then it is a "game changer" theory that completely tosses all of this stuff on its end. Lets see...Paranormal Teams are running around with IR cameras, digital camera's, video camera's, camera's that see spectrums of light that are not visible to the eye, even camera's with long exposure times and other ideas. If this theory is correct, the theory that ghosts are not visible to the eye but only to the brain...well, then nothing we know of the paranormal is anywhere near working!

This would boil Paranormal Experiences down to "it all occurs in the individuals brain." Now, I ask you, who is to say you ARE seeing a ghost? Whos to say that you ARE experiencing an event?

Maybe you've lost it? Maybe you've gone crazy and you're hearing and seeing things?

My biggest issue with this theory is that you guys seem to TRUST people. You TRUST that a client is telling you the truth. I, on the other hand, think that people can make themselves believe in ANYTHING. Yes ANYTHING. In todays world of Video Games, Movies, Internet, Books, etc., people have HIGHLY active imaginations and, since I do strongly believe in the power of the human mind to convince itself of just about anything, I truely believe that a person can be convinced through either external factors or internal factors that ANYTHING is real.

I think that it is 10000000 times more likely that a griveing mother, having lost her child, would see a "apparition" of her dead child because, frankly, she really really really really wants to. I can suspend disbelief for 2 hours to watch Predator, and in that time I try to let myself believe in it. But, once I leave the theatre I put myself back into reality and I understand there's not a big, badass alien rolling around skinning people in the jungle. Howevever I have met MANY people who are NOT so firmly grounded in reality, and they really believe captain Spock is going to beam us up one day. Yes, I know the guy who believes Star Trek is real.

People WANT to believe in the paranormal. Whether it is simply to rest their weary heads at night so they can sleep better, or whether its so that they can relieve the moments and feelings they once felt from a dead loved-one, whatever the catalyst is they are WANTING to find that answer.

Matrixing is a "common phenomenon" that, basically, your mind is TRYING to find some logic in whatever that weird shadow is in the picture you just took. While there might not be anything there, your mind (subconsciously) will connect some dots to draw a picture of a ghost in that picture. You will THINK you see something, simply because your mind is trying to make a picutre out of chaos.

I TRUELY believe that this is true for ghost hunters, also. They SO BADLY want to believe that its a ghost...not a draft, not a old settling house, not a cat in the wall and not a leaky pipe. They simply WANT to make some sense out of things they dont understand that they LET their minds wander to these places where Paranormal can exist.

So, to wrap it up...a theory of only seeing these things in your mind maybe be convienient, because it makes "sense" and explains away why nothing can be captured. But, opening up that box isnt necessarily any better...infact, it leads to things like Dimensia and other mental issues that can skew results also.

Sigh.

I'm not so sure if it's a game changer. The discussing of theories opens our minds, and doors to a new way of thinking of the paranormal. I think this leads to exploring and not closing any doors.

Our minds (subconscious) is still very unexplored. The subconscious mind, may also remember, perceive, or dertermine things beyond the reach or control of our conscious mind, another way of looking at it. Who knows, I certainly don't. But, there is so much unexplored about our minds, and using our mind to understand the paranormal may be something we have not learned about the human mind as of yet. Maybe there is some connection with the mind and paranoramal in the subconscious. But, I agree the mind is truly amazing and what it is totally capable of is still unknown.

Personally I am not an investigator, and I dont take anyone's word

for anything. It was just a thought that occurred to me that I threw

out there for discussion. /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

Im the guy who posted the topic about "after all this time, why hasnt a TV show camera caught SOMETHING?"

This is an interesting theory, one that I do understand is valid because we're all operating in the paranormal world here which, by definition, means ANYTHING GOES. So, the new theory is that camera's cannot catch evidence because these Paranormal Incidents are only viseable to the minds eye.

Ugh.

If this is true, then it is a "game changer" theory that completely tosses all of this stuff on its end. Lets see...Paranormal Teams are running around with IR cameras, digital camera's, video camera's, camera's that see spectrums of light that are not visible to the eye, even camera's with long exposure times and other ideas. If this theory is correct, the theory that ghosts are not visible to the eye but only to the brain...well, then nothing we know of the paranormal is anywhere near working!

This would boil Paranormal Experiences down to "it all occurs in the individuals brain." Now, I ask you, who is to say you ARE seeing a ghost? Whos to say that you ARE experiencing an event?

Maybe you've lost it? Maybe you've gone crazy and you're hearing and seeing things?

My biggest issue with this theory is that you guys seem to TRUST people. You TRUST that a client is telling you the truth. I, on the other hand, think that people can make themselves believe in ANYTHING. Yes ANYTHING. In todays world of Video Games, Movies, Internet, Books, etc., people have HIGHLY active imaginations and, since I do strongly believe in the power of the human mind to convince itself of just about anything, I truely believe that a person can be convinced through either external factors or internal factors that ANYTHING is real.

I think that it is 10000000 times more likely that a griveing mother, having lost her child, would see a "apparition" of her dead child because, frankly, she really really really really wants to. I can suspend disbelief for 2 hours to watch Predator, and in that time I try to let myself believe in it. But, once I leave the theatre I put myself back into reality and I understand there's not a big, badass alien rolling around skinning people in the jungle. Howevever I have met MANY people who are NOT so firmly grounded in reality, and they really believe captain Spock is going to beam us up one day. Yes, I know the guy who believes Star Trek is real.

People WANT to believe in the paranormal. Whether it is simply to rest their weary heads at night so they can sleep better, or whether its so that they can relieve the moments and feelings they once felt from a dead loved-one, whatever the catalyst is they are WANTING to find that answer.

Matrixing is a "common phenomenon" that, basically, your mind is TRYING to find some logic in whatever that weird shadow is in the picture you just took. While there might not be anything there, your mind (subconsciously) will connect some dots to draw a picture of a ghost in that picture. You will THINK you see something, simply because your mind is trying to make a picutre out of chaos.

I TRUELY believe that this is true for ghost hunters, also. They SO BADLY want to believe that its a ghost...not a draft, not a old settling house, not a cat in the wall and not a leaky pipe. They simply WANT to make some sense out of things they dont understand that they LET their minds wander to these places where Paranormal can exist.

So, to wrap it up...a theory of only seeing these things in your mind maybe be convienient, because it makes "sense" and explains away why nothing can be captured. But, opening up that box isnt necessarily any better...infact, it leads to things like Dimensia and other mental issues that can skew results also.

Sigh.

Hey MK, They are reruns, I checked, never saw the show before, was interesting.

Runs Saurday night on Bio channel, looks like the show's original air dates, 2003-04.

OK! I don't remember seeing the show you mentioned. They had some good ones though!

I used to love that show.

Is it back on the air? Or was this a rerun. I need to check it out.

Hey MK, They are reruns, I checked, never saw the show before, was interesting.

Runs Saurday night on Bio channel, looks like the show's original air dates, 2003-04.

I'm assuming you had no radio transmitting devices (two-way radios, cell phones, etc.) on or with you at the time?

That would be a correct assumption. We did have cell phones - they were powered off so that the batteries didn't die bouncing to get a signal.

Is it back on the air? Or was this a rerun. I need to check it out.

I think I found the Show, it's been bugging me.

Unexplained Mysteries, Epi The Unreal World. Bio, channel.

Epi description.

When it comes to reality programming the truth is stranger than fiction. Travel beyond our imaginations and explore the ancient riddles we have been questioning as we journey on a quest for paranormal encounters.

What I saw, the show was scientific. The focus was NOT about the supposed hypersensitivity of fields, but what the fields actually do scientifically. Hypersensitivity was mentioned, but not proven.

I'm familar with where GH goes with this, this was a totally different take.

When I caught part of the show, there was a scientific explanation on how when a field is correct under certain conditions light flashes can occur and be seen.

I have no expertise is this scientific area, but was fascinated that these flashes may be what some are experiencing as paranormal.

No conclusions were made on the show, just that these light trails may account for ones experience.

I've never heard of these light trails scientifically, and wondering if anyone here can expand on it.

Or if anyone has experienced these light trails?

First, I thought I was dreaming about this. lol

Caught about 15 minutes of the show, and going to check the viewing schedule again and rewatch. The details are fuzzy for me.

Sound really interesting - I'll have to try to catch it next time around.

I'm not sure about the particular show you are referencing - but I know that the idea of EMF hypersenitivity has been thrown out with reckless abandon throughout the paranormal community as much as the other superstitions. I think Ghost Hunters started it with their "fear cage" theory. They claim that sustained levels of high EMF radiation can cause paranoia, nausea, itching, burning, and even create hallucinations. I find these claims interesting, in light of the fact that several research and health organizations have held numerous conferences and studies on hypersenativity and the possible causal relationship with sustained EMF exposure and as of yet, there have been no definitive conlusions to suggest such a causal relationship. In fact the World Health Organization published a report which concludes that there is no scentific evidence to suggest a causal relationship between exposure to sustained high level EMF radiation and EHS. At best - this is an issue that is still being debated in scientific and health communities - yet TAPS are constantly heard spouting this supposed causal relationship off as fact, and all of the little TAPS wannabes around the world follow suit. However, dilusional effects are not even discussed as an agreed upon symptom of EHS. This appears to be a symptom added by TAPS.

I think I found the Show, it's been bugging me.

Unexplained Mysteries, Epi The Unreal World. Bio, channel.

Epi description.

When it comes to reality programming the truth is stranger than fiction. Travel beyond our imaginations and explore the ancient riddles we have been questioning as we journey on a quest for paranormal encounters.

What I saw, the show was scientific. The focus was NOT about the supposed hypersensitivity of fields, but what the fields actually do scientifically. Hypersensitivity was mentioned, but not proven.

I'm familar with where GH goes with this, this was a totally different take.

When I caught part of the show, there was a scientific explanation on how when a field is correct under certain conditions light flashes can occur and be seen.

I have no expertise is this scientific area, but was fascinated that these flashes may be what some are experiencing as paranormal.

No conclusions were made on the show, just that these light trails may account for ones experience.

I've never heard of these light trails scientifically, and wondering if anyone here can expand on it.

Or if anyone has experienced these light trails?

First, I thought I was dreaming about this. lol

Caught about 15 minutes of the show, and going to check the viewing schedule again and rewatch. The details are fuzzy for me.

When we investigate we make everyone leave their cell phone in the command area. Also they turn the volume down so if it rings, it's not too loud.

That's about how I see it. We only use an EMF detector to measure the initial EMF levels before the investigation starts. Then that's pretty much all it is used for. After that, it's kept in the command area and left there unless something pops up.

That does make me wonder though - and I don't know how many on here are pro-TAPS, so I don't mean to offend anybody - if someone isn't just standing outside the view of the camera on Ghost Hunters and keying up a two-way radio during K2 sessions.