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Maybe another criteria that should be added to documenting evidence of the paranormal is to look for a code brown in the investigator's pants.
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Maybe another criteria that should be added to documenting evidence of the paranormal is to look for a code brown in the investigator's pants.
/laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' /> reminds me of the Jason and Grant cameo on Southpark!
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I was thinking the same thing(on one of the other forums I frequent):
Great minds think alike!
I realize the frustration such a thought causes among those hoping to uncover physical evidence.
Like saying, "You can't get there from here".
Maybe I'm not as profound as I thought I was /laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
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Maybe you've mentioned this theory to me before Larry
and it's been sitting in the back of my mind waiting to
pounce /wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':P' />
Bryan, I do see where you're coming from and the truth is no
one knows what the answer is, so I think all avenues need to
be investigated. So keep up what you're doing, one day maybe
you'll find the answer. We never know where the next great
discovery will come from.
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I agree with much of what you say here, Karen. You are right – this is a vast universe, and it would be arrogant indeed to think that we have a complete understanding of it. I wasn't trying to imply that just because we lack the ability to prove something with our current base of knowledge – that it can't necessarily be true. What I am trying to convey, is that, unless we can develop a device (and who knows – maybe this is forthcoming) that can scan one's brain and transfer that data into a medium that others can view and study – it's a fruitless endeavor to theorize that one's real environment consists of not only the external environment but that "perceived environment" that is encapsulated in our brain. Perhaps you and Heidi have a point…maybe someday medical science will further our understanding of the human brain and just how much of our reality consist of our own perception…but we certainly aren't there yet…
ok – my brain hurts now!
Bryan, in 2008, I did an article on this very same thing … well sort of! Not knowing much about the research before writing it, I was really stunned to discover what is already possible. I asked if they could test me using their research methods, but due to the cost associated with it, it just wasn't possible. Bummer!
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Maybe I'm not as profound as I thought I was
/laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes:' />
Maybe you've mentioned this theory to me before Larry
and it's been sitting in the back of my mind waiting to
pounce
/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
Bryan, I do see where you're coming from and the truth is no
one knows what the answer is, so I think all avenues need to
be investigated. So keep up what you're doing, one day maybe
you'll find the answer. We never know where the next great
discovery will come from.
Well Heidi, however you arrived at the idea, you presented it better than I could have.
I love this subject and could take it in all kinds of directions.
I agree with much of what you say here, Karen. You are right – this is a vast universe, and it would be arrogant indeed to think that we have a complete understanding of it. I wasn't trying to imply that just because we lack the ability to prove something with our current base of knowledge – that it can't necessarily be true. What I am trying to convey, is that, unless we can develop a device (and who knows – maybe this is forthcoming) that can scan one's brain and transfer that data into a medium that others can view and study - it's a fruitless endeavor to theorize that one's real environment consists of not only the external environment but that "perceived environment" that is encapsulated in our brain. Perhaps you and Heidi have a point…maybe someday medical science will further our understanding of the human brain and just how much of our reality consist of our own perception…but we certainly aren't there yet…
ok – my brain hurts now!
That was the plot of an amazing science fiction movie from 1983 called: "Brainstorm", with Christopher Walken and Natalie Wood. < (check out the trailer!)
In high school(Junior year 1980), we had a History of Science Fiction Literature class and the final project was to design a model of a future invention. It was a machine that projected your thoughts and dreams onto a wall size screen, with a helmet that monitered your brain waves.
Bryan, in 2008, I did an article on this very same thing … well sort of! Not knowing much about the research before writing it, I was really stunned to discover what is already possible. I asked if they could test me using their research methods, but due to the cost associated with it, it just wasn't possible. Bummer!
Great article, that really is incredible, what they can already do! Have you seen this recent Discovery News youtube video? Man Controls Robotic Hand with Mind
These advances are unbelievable.
Well I'll stop now before I get too off topic.
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Interesting thread. I stumbled across a show last night on how the electromagnetic field may effect people having paranormal experiences.
Seeing flashes of light, etc. I fell asleep, Can't remember the show or channel. Did anyone see the show?
Different view, than what other paranormal shows touched on.
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Interesting thread. I stumbled across a show last night on how the electromagnetic field may effect people having paranormal experiences.
Seeing flashes of light, etc. I fell asleep, Can't remember the show or channel. Did anyone see the show?
Different view, than what other paranormal shows touched on.
I'm not sure about the particular show you are referencing – but I know that the idea of EMF hypersenitivity has been thrown out with reckless abandon throughout the paranormal community as much as the other superstitions. I think Ghost Hunters started it with their "fear cage" theory. They claim that sustained levels of high EMF radiation can cause paranoia, nausea, itching, burning, and even create hallucinations. I find these claims interesting, in light of the fact that several research and health organizations have held numerous conferences and studies on hypersenativity and the possible causal relationship with sustained EMF exposure and as of yet, there have been no definitive conlusions to suggest such a causal relationship. In fact the World Health Organization published a report which concludes that there is no scentific evidence to suggest a causal relationship between exposure to sustained high level EMF radiation and EHS. At best – this is an issue that is still being debated in scientific and health communities – yet TAPS are constantly heard spouting this supposed causal relationship off as fact, and all of the little TAPS wannabes around the world follow suit. However, dilusional effects are not even discussed as an agreed upon symptom of EHS. This appears to be a symptom added by TAPS.
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I agree with that. With everyone being different and reacting to the same stimuli differently, it's hard for me to understand how people being exposed to the same levels of EMF report seeing the same visible disturbances. I can understand the feelings of say paranoia and uneasiness and the sort but in the cases of people seeing the same "specter" or whatnot sometimes leaves me baffled.
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I can tell you an interesting EMF/feelings story.
When I am in a haunted location, I have this thing that is kind of a "spidey sense". I'll be going about my business and all of a sudden there will be this feeling. It's mental, but also physical. Physically, it is along the side of my face and on the back of my neck. It's as if something is really close to me – far more into my personal space than I typically allow anyone. Mentally is a bit more difficult to describe – sort of an energy that I feel, if that makes any sense.
I was investigating in a location that had no electrical sources of EMF. None. I was walking with someone carrying a Trifield Natural EMF detector. I've taken baselines there a zillion times and it is always zero. As I was walking, my spidey sense went off. About a half of a second later, the EMF detector made that beep it does when it spikes all of the way up, and then it bounced all around the scale. We stopped and watched it do it for about 30 seconds. We moved about 20 yards away – the EMF detector returned to normal. We walked back to the previous location and it spiked and then did the needle dance again.
When we walked past the spot later, no spikes, no spidey sense.
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I can tell you an interesting EMF/feelings story.
When I am in a haunted location, I have this thing that is kind of a "spidey sense". I'll be going about my business and all of a sudden there will be this feeling. It's mental, but also physical. Physically, it is along the side of my face and on the back of my neck. It's as if something is really close to me – far more into my personal space than I typically allow anyone. Mentally is a bit more difficult to describe – sort of an energy that I feel, if that makes any sense.
I was investigating in a location that had no electrical sources of EMF. None. I was walking with someone carrying a Trifield Natural EMF detector. I've taken baselines there a zillion times and it is always zero. As I was walking, my spidey sense went off. About a half of a second later, the EMF detector made that beep it does when it spikes all of the way up, and then it bounced all around the scale. We stopped and watched it do it for about 30 seconds. We moved about 20 yards away – the EMF detector returned to normal. We walked back to the previous location and it spiked and then did the needle dance again.
When we walked past the spot later, no spikes, no spidey sense.
I'm assuming you had no radio transmitting devices (two-way radios, cell phones, etc.) on or with you at the time?
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Karen, I've had a similar experience at the local cemetery that we experiment with new stuff at. When I got my cheap little EMF detector we went over there to test it out and get familiar with it. As soon as we walked into the cemetery it beeped once and that was it. We couldn't find a source or anything. We left and came back later but entered from a different gate. Once again it beeped when we walked into the cemetery and then nothing. This has happened several times now at different gates. We haven't been able to find a source or a cause. It almost makes me feel like there is a barrier there and once we pierce it, it's gone for a short time. But it comes back each time.
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I have to say that in the past two and a half years, and 50 or so investigations, I've yet to encounter any EMF disturbance which I could consider anomolous. That's not to say that I won't encounter something in the future, but for now – I have no evidence to suggest any correlation between EMF fluctuations and paranormal activity.
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That's about how I see it. We only use an EMF detector to measure the initial EMF levels before the investigation starts. Then that's pretty much all it is used for. After that, it's kept in the command area and left there unless something pops up.
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That's about how I see it. We only use an EMF detector to measure the initial EMF levels before the investigation starts. Then that's pretty much all it is used for. After that, it's kept in the command area and left there unless something pops up.
That does make me wonder though – and I don't know how many on here are pro-TAPS, so I don't mean to offend anybody – if someone isn't just standing outside the view of the camera on Ghost Hunters and keying up a two-way radio during K2 sessions.
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I've wondered that as well. Or the K2 could be going off from their radios or cell phones. Any number of things could make them go off.
When we investigate we make everyone leave their cell phone in the command area. Also they turn the volume down so if it rings, it's not too loud.
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I'm not sure about the particular show you are referencing – but I know that the idea of EMF hypersenitivity has been thrown out with reckless abandon throughout the paranormal community as much as the other superstitions. I think Ghost Hunters started it with their "fear cage" theory. They claim that sustained levels of high EMF radiation can cause paranoia, nausea, itching, burning, and even create hallucinations. I find these claims interesting, in light of the fact that several research and health organizations have held numerous conferences and studies on hypersenativity and the possible causal relationship with sustained EMF exposure and as of yet, there have been no definitive conlusions to suggest such a causal relationship. In fact the World Health Organization published a report which concludes that there is no scentific evidence to suggest a causal relationship between exposure to sustained high level EMF radiation and EHS. At best – this is an issue that is still being debated in scientific and health communities – yet TAPS are constantly heard spouting this supposed causal relationship off as fact, and all of the little TAPS wannabes around the world follow suit. However, dilusional effects are not even discussed as an agreed upon symptom of EHS. This appears to be a symptom added by TAPS.
I think I found the Show, it's been bugging me.
Unexplained Mysteries, Epi The Unreal World. Bio, channel.
Epi description.
When it comes to reality programming the truth is stranger than fiction. Travel beyond our imaginations and explore the ancient riddles we have been questioning as we journey on a quest for paranormal encounters.
What I saw, the show was scientific. The focus was NOT about the supposed hypersensitivity of fields, but what the fields actually do scientifically. Hypersensitivity was mentioned, but not proven.
I'm familar with where GH goes with this, this was a totally different take.
When I caught part of the show, there was a scientific explanation on how when a field is correct under certain conditions light flashes can occur and be seen.
I have no expertise is this scientific area, but was fascinated that these flashes may be what some are experiencing as paranormal.
No conclusions were made on the show, just that these light trails may account for ones experience.
I've never heard of these light trails scientifically, and wondering if anyone here can expand on it.
Or if anyone has experienced these light trails?
First, I thought I was dreaming about this. lol
Caught about 15 minutes of the show, and going to check the viewing schedule again and rewatch. The details are fuzzy for me.
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I think I found the Show, it's been bugging me.
Unexplained Mysteries, Epi The Unreal World. Bio, channel.
Epi description.
When it comes to reality programming the truth is stranger than fiction. Travel beyond our imaginations and explore the ancient riddles we have been questioning as we journey on a quest for paranormal encounters.
What I saw, the show was scientific. The focus was NOT about the supposed hypersensitivity of fields, but what the fields actually do scientifically. Hypersensitivity was mentioned, but not proven.
I'm familar with where GH goes with this, this was a totally different take.
When I caught part of the show, there was a scientific explanation on how when a field is correct under certain conditions light flashes can occur and be seen.
I have no expertise is this scientific area, but was fascinated that these flashes may be what some are experiencing as paranormal.
No conclusions were made on the show, just that these light trails may account for ones experience.
I've never heard of these light trails scientifically, and wondering if anyone here can expand on it.
Or if anyone has experienced these light trails?
First, I thought I was dreaming about this. lol
Caught about 15 minutes of the show, and going to check the viewing schedule again and rewatch. The details are fuzzy for me.
Sound really interesting – I'll have to try to catch it next time around.
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I used to love that show.
Is it back on the air? Or was this a rerun. I need to check it out.
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I'm assuming you had no radio transmitting devices (two-way radios, cell phones, etc.) on or with you at the time?
That would be a correct assumption. We did have cell phones – they were powered off so that the batteries didn't die bouncing to get a signal.
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I used to love that show.
Is it back on the air? Or was this a rerun. I need to check it out.
Hey MK, They are reruns, I checked, never saw the show before, was interesting.
Runs Saurday night on Bio channel, looks like the show's original air dates, 2003-04.
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