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You Tube tries to Debunk TAPS
April 29, 2010
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So does that mean Kris Williams is going to admit to plastic surgery?

…and I thought I was the only one who picked up on that but didn't want to speculate. OR maybe it was just specialized enhancing clothing?

April 29, 2010
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…and I thought I was the only one who picked up on that but didn't want to speculate. OR maybe it was just specialized enhancing clothing?

No I'd mentioned it back on ghostdose before I came over to PUG and it had been kicked around there. There was little or no subtlety to her transition. It also coincided w/some big event and there were reports of the various cast members suddenly showing signs of recently coming into $$$. Steve was seen tooling around in a new Lexus, G & J went and got that Inn and she looks like she got plastic surgery. She didn't try to hide it either as her wardrobe changed a little to accentuate the changes. Let me go on the record as saying I've got no problem w/people spending their money and I don't have a problem necessarily w/folks who have plastic surgery. If it's what you need to help you be more comfortable in your body/skin…good for you. My problem is only w/the extremists….like the late Michael Jackson (who clearly had an addiction) and Lisa Renna who looks like a caracature of a person etc . I don't even fault the people, I get upset w/these "doctors" that keep right on doing the procedures. Joan Rivers at least pokes fun at herself….my personal favorite was her saying that she wanted to be in a porn movie, but unfortunately alot of her body was not over 18 years old.

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April 29, 2010
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Not trying to sound harsh here, but given that I've read many comments from our members saying TAPS members are dishonest, whey would a camera angle change your mind? Or would it?

Even if TAPS had put the entire stroller or cart or whatever that was in the picture, wouldn't everyone still be accusing them of faking it? Pulling it with fishing line? etc.?

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April 29, 2010
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Not trying to sound harsh here, but given that I've read many comments from our members saying TAPS members are dishonest, whey would a camera angle change your mind? Or would it?

Even if TAPS had put the entire stroller or cart or whatever that was in the picture, wouldn't everyone still be accusing them of faking it? Pulling it with fishing line? etc.?

it would depend on what i saw…

im not one of those that believes every single thing

has been faked…but to me some things obviously have.

and for Jason to say that was only place they could put

the stroller and get it and the window in frame…blatant

lie.

because of past behavior im skeptical of anything they

find, but believe me if it was dead center and moved,

i wouldnt just yell fishing line unless i saw proof some haha.

April 29, 2010
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Not trying to sound harsh here, but given that I've read many comments from our members saying TAPS members are dishonest, whey would a camera angle change your mind? Or would it?

Even if TAPS had put the entire stroller or cart or whatever that was in the picture, wouldn't everyone still be accusing them of faking it? Pulling it with fishing line? etc.?

Well I take it a step further…if they are the professional unit that they claim to be, then they would have done what GB said, use two dedicated cameras….but I will have to agree with MK, no matter what, we would not believe it due to past questionable occurences…

April 29, 2010
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Not trying to sound harsh here, but given that I've read many comments from our members saying TAPS members are dishonest, whey would a camera angle change your mind? Or would it?

Even if TAPS had put the entire stroller or cart or whatever that was in the picture, wouldn't everyone still be accusing them of faking it? Pulling it with fishing line? etc.?

Like I said before, “WHY”, move it at all? The sound they both verified as being what they heard was the stroller rubbing against the wall. So why move it at all and so you couldn't see the whole stroller unless you needed a controlled shot so it could be faked? I believe if it was a full shot then people would have a had an easier time with it. The tugging then smooth movement interupted by the sideways jerk also made it look suspect to me.

Not one bit of that incident makes any logical sense. I have also said it before that if you put yourself out there for criticism then expect it. There are many other shows out there including GA and DT and they don't get the bad criticism that TAPS does. No one picked TAPS as the fall guy for critics. No one tells them what to do according to Jason so whatever they get they brought it upon themselves. No one can blame the critics for TAPS actions.

My personal opinion and only my opinion is that their popularity is waning because of the other shows and they are struggling to stay afloat. Using little things like the stroller, trying to build credibility by going over DT evidence, GHA and so on.

As a side note. The reason my type is bold and large is because it is easier for me to see and proof read. Not trying to show an aggressive response.

April 29, 2010
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Like I said before, “WHY”, move it at all? The sound they both verified as being what they heard was the stroller rubbing against the wall. So why move it at all and so you couldn't see the whole stroller unless you needed a controlled shot so it could be faked? I believe if it was a full shot then people would have a had an easier time with it. The tugging then smooth movement interupted by the sideways jerk also made it look suspect to me.

Not one bit of that incident makes any logical sense. I have also said it before that if you put yourself out there for criticism then expect it. There are many other shows out there including GA and DT and they don't get the bad criticism that TAPS does. No one picked TAPS as the fall guy for critics. No one tells them what to do according to Jason so whatever they get they brought it upon themselves. No one can blame the critics for TAPS actions.

My personal opinion and only my opinion is that their popularity is waning because of the other shows and they are struggling to stay afloat. Using little things like the stroller, trying to build credibility by going over DT evidence, GHA and so on.

As a side note. The reason my type is bold and large is because it is easier for me to see and proof read. Not trying to show an aggressive response.

Not what I heard!

Just messin' w/you GB, I know you don't roll like that!

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April 29, 2010
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I also found it amusing that there was a commercial for the new season of ghost hunter academy, and in the camercial they go out of there way to say "Don't fake stuff".

Whoever said 'nothing is impossible' never tried nailing Jell-o to a tree.
April 29, 2010
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I also found it amusing that there was a commercial for the new season of ghost hunter academy, and in the camercial they go out of there way to say "Don't fake stuff".

/laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Laugh' /> Stay classy Ghost Hunters, stay classy. /laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Laugh' />

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That which is unchallenged and exercised as habit rapidly becomes ritual.

When this occurs, dissent becomes an object of surprise, if not resentment.



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April 30, 2010
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I also found it amusing that there was a commercial for the new season of ghost hunter academy, and in the camercial they go out of there way to say "Don't fake stuff".

they left out the important part though….

"don't fake stuff….leave that up to the editing dept."

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May 2, 2010
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So by attending Ghost Hunter Academy are you by default a "certified ghost hunter"? ….b

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May 2, 2010
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So by attending Ghost Hunter Academy are you by default a "certified ghost hunter"? ….b

Well, lets see. A definition of certified means genuine or authentic. 1. Actually having the reputed or apparent qualities, being sincerely and honestly felt or experienced. 2. And the best is… Free from hypocrisy or pretense. That is just one definition but even just from that, my answer would have to be no.

However, since most every Tom, Richard, (it won't let me write Richards nick name. LOL) and Harry is giving classes today. I can't really be sure. What would constitute good training or education to qualify someone to certify another in Paranormal Examination. Sorry I don't use the term Paranormal Investigation anymore.

May 2, 2010
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D!ck's Sporting Goods has a paranormal gear dept?

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May 2, 2010
6:06 pm PDT
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Well, lets see. A definition of certified means genuine or authentic. 1. Actually having the reputed or apparent qualities, being sincerely and honestly felt or experienced. 2. And the best is… Free from hypocrisy or pretense. That is just one definition but even just from that, my answer would have to be no.

However, since most every Tom, Richard, (it won't let me write Richards nick name. LOL) and Harry is giving classes today. I can't really be sure. What would constitute good training or education to qualify someone to certify another in Paranormal Examination. Sorry I don't use the term Paranormal Investigation anymore.

I wasn't sure if I should pose this question because I didn't want to come across as a Richard-Head /wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':P' /> …

But much the way a TAPS Family Member proudly flaunts that banner on their web site, there is an insinuation of paranormal investigative prowess, aptitude or elitism implied by those that have attended GHA or TAPS Boot Camp (for a fee) …Ironically I have seem many instances where those that have completed training under the auspices of TAPS/GH will often bash other organizations that advertise similar instructional courses offering certification based on a similar if not identical methodology model employed by TAPS/GH…

I'm not bashing TAPS or TFM teams just those guilty of this hypocrisy that is rampant in the community these days …

I don't use the term "paranormal investigation" much either ….b

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May 2, 2010
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But much the way a TAPS Family Member proudly flaunts that banner on their web site, there is an insinuation of paranormal investigative prowess, aptitude or elitism implied by those that have attended GHA or TAPS Boot Camp (for a fee) …Ironically I have seem many instances where those that have completed training under the auspices of TAPS/GH will often bash other organizations that advertise similar instructional courses offering certification based on a similar if not identical methodology model employed by TAPS/GH…

I have run into these individuals from time to time. There is even a group near me that got themselves in a local news paper and said that because they were TAPS family members they were now authourized by TAPS to conduct investigations.

Needless to say people and myself included just couldn't let that go. They really believed that being accepted by TAPS made them more important than others even though they only were at it for a couple years and were very upset when people responded to their article.

I too will stop short of bashing, but will defend myself if personally attacked. I just found that incident laughable as these are the qualifications to become a TAPS member…

From their site. To qualify for membership you must meet these minimum requirements:

The TAPS Family is an elite network of paranormal investigative teams. To qualify for entry into the TAPS Family, you must meet the following minimum requirements; however, please be advised that meeting these requirements alone does not guarantee entry into the TAPS Family. As part of the application process, we consider a number of other aspects of your team's operation before coming to a decision regarding your status.

Our goal is to create a worldwide network of extraordinary paranormal investigators.

1.Your team must have a minimum two (2) years of verifiable service.

2.Your team must have a web presence hosted on an advertisement-free service.

3.You must provide a minimum two (2) references from prior clients, including full contact information so that we may speak with them.

4.The founder(s) of your team must be at least twenty-one (21) years of age and have a clean criminal record. We reserve the right to conduct criminal background checks on your team's founder(s) and/or team members at our discretion.

5.Your team must provide all services at no cost to the client. You may accept freely-given donations, but may not charge fees nor solicit donations for services rendered, travel expenses, fuel charges, or for any other reason.

6.Your team must be located in (and must operate within) an area in which we otherwise lack coverage.

7.If your team is rejected for membership, you may not reapply for at least one (1) year.

In addition to the above requirements, we also take into consideration the quality of your team's website. Your website must be constructed in a client-friendly manner, and provide information that a client typically might require in order to make an informed decision whether to hire your team. When we examine your website, we look for:

1.Team member profiles, which allow the client to see and read about the members of your team.

2.A visible and easy-to-use mechanism to request help. Examples include: an email link, a contact form, a phone number, or other way for a client to readily contact you.

3.Information about your team's investigative approach (your methodology, the equipment you use during an investigation, etc.).

4.General information regarding the paranormal. Examples include: a glossary, well-written articles regarding paranormal theory or phenomena, tips for dealing with paranormal occurrences, etc.

5.Clean design and simple navigation.

We tend to frown upon:

1.Broken links and incomplete (or empty) pages. These are unprofessional and display a lack of organization.

2.Websites requiring registration before clients can view critical pieces of information regarding your team (methodology, contact information, etc.).

3.Overt solicitations for donations or payment of any form, for any reason.

4.Negativity toward other paranormal teams or individuals.

5.Scary imagery, music/sound effects, etc. We believe these things reinforce certain incorrect perceptions regarding the work we perform and about the paranormal in general. In addition, "scary" websites don't help to allay the fears of clients who are looking to the TAPS Family teams for help.

Now it seems to me you don't qualify unless you are a benefit to TAPS. I also believe that fame and recognition is the motive behind people applying but to each his own. IMO

May 4, 2010
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I have run into these individuals from time to time. There is even a group near me that got themselves in a local news paper and said that because they were TAPS family members they were now authorized by TAPS to conduct investigations.

Needless to say people and myself included just couldn't let that go. They really believed that being accepted by TAPS made them more important than others even though they only were at it for a couple years and were very upset when people responded to their article.

I too will stop short of bashing, but will defend myself if personally attacked. I just found that incident laughable as these are the qualifications to become a TAPS member…

From their site. To qualify for membership you must meet these minimum requirements:

In my estimation: one could create a completely fictitious team and accompanying website, contrive all of the references and outlined requirements listed on that TFM site as criterion for candidacy consideration and subsequently achieve the highly coveted registry as an Official TAPS Family team…

call it a hunch /rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':P' /> ….b

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May 4, 2010
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It wouldn't surprise me one bit if a double digit percentage of the teams for TAPS did that.

May 5, 2010
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5.Scary imagery, music/sound effects, etc. We believe these things reinforce certain incorrect perceptions regarding the work we perform and about the paranormal in general. In addition, "scary" websites don't help to allay the fears of clients who are looking to the TAPS Family teams for help.

Funny…they themselves have "scary" music and images edited into their tv show…

July 8, 2010
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I feel so at home in this thread…. /cool.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />

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September 24, 2010
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Not trying to sound harsh here, but given that I've read many comments from our members saying TAPS members are dishonest, whey would a camera angle change your mind? Or would it?

Even if TAPS had put the entire stroller or cart or whatever that was in the picture, wouldn't everyone still be accusing them of faking it? Pulling it with fishing line? etc.?

What I have always found or maybe observed about Ghost Hunters is that the camera recording their exploits always seems to turn away from the location a second before one of the team points to where the camera was just pointing and says, "Oh Crap! Did you see that!" If that happened once or twice I would say oh well but it happens in like every episode.

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