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You Tube tries to Debunk TAPS
April 25, 2010
3:37 am PDT
Willa Taylor
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Hey guys, I just found this video on youtube and I was wondering what you all thought about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..30WJfeH2_4…feature=related

I'm not sold on the idea that TAPS would fake something intentionally. I know there are a lot of fakes out there and I have writen a lot of papers debunking famous psychics, but TAPS has always seemed like a reliable group to me. (Especially since so many episode they find nothing and they have successfully waisted my wednesday night as I stay up watching every second of it.)

This video claims that taps switched the table cloth, I disagree. I think the table cloth just looks different using the nightcam, but then again I am not really sure. So what are your feelings on this one?

Whoever said 'nothing is impossible' never tried nailing Jell-o to a tree.
April 25, 2010
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It looks like a different table cloth to me but oh well. Its weird I was watching an episode today (no TV so much watch them on Hulu a few days or longer after they come out) and I was wondering the same thing. It was an episode they were in a restaurant and they were asking someone to turn a flash light on and off. What made me wonder as Im watching it, they said it lasted for a half hour. Whenever they would ask it they never had a camera on the flashlight until AFTER it did whatever they asked. Every tie. It was on them not the light. Well gee in a half hour of it listening to you wouldnt, if its real, you put the camera on it? The video was very interesting to say the least. Sometimes I do wonder about them. But I guess its all open to speculation. Its good entertainment and thats what its ment to be. Just would be nice if that entertainment was real. They claim it is and in the end only they know.



Remember, dogs and cats are better than kids because they:

(1) eat less,

(2) don’t ask for money all the time,

(3) are easier to train,

(4) normally come when called,

(5) never ask to drive the car,

(6) don’t smoke or drink,

(7) don’t want to wear your clothes,

(8) don’t have to buy the latest fashions,

(9) don’t need a gazillion dollars for college and

(10) if they get pregnant, you can sell their children ..
April 25, 2010
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I saw the episode u are talking about, that really bugged me. I have been asking around about the table cloth and people seem to think it is a different cloth.

It makes me mad, they seem like the only trustable group out there, but now I have to question them too. It seems like all around us there are people that try to fake stories and information. I know TAPS has made mistakes in the pasts, but I always assumed they just didn't figure out their mistake, but this seems like it was intentional. Which in a way bugs me even more since so many episodes are boring and they find nothing, (why can't they fake them all if they fake some? lol)

I just wish there was a way to know for sure if they are faking it, it would really hurt me if they did, but I want to know.

Either way, I know what I have experienced is real and I can always trust myself after all.

Whoever said 'nothing is impossible' never tried nailing Jell-o to a tree.
April 25, 2010
4:32 am PDT
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I believed in GH until the infamous "collargate" incident.

Although I dont believe they've always faked…I think the first

couple seasons were legit…I do think being a TV show with the

purpose of "entertaining" they felt the need to deliver.

And we ended up with ridiculous things like the thrown hanger and the collar pulling.

April 25, 2010
4:34 am PDT
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collargate? I don't know that episode, what happened? And I have to agree, I think the first seasons are legit.

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April 25, 2010
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I know TAPS has made mistakes in the pasts, but I always assumed they just didn't figure out their mistake, but this seems like it was intentional. Which in a way bugs me even more since so many episodes are boring and they find nothing, (why can't they fake them all if they fake some? lol)

I have a theory (I said theory ok). If they fake every show people will say How can this be real? You cant find something everywhere. Im not saying everything they find is fake. At least Id hope not. Just sometimes I get the feeling they are "spicing up" their episodes. And for some reason more and more lately Im getting this growing distrust about them. Cant explain it.

Collargate? Do tell. I must have missed it (as is possible with Hulu but I watched before I didnt have cable anymore).

In the end certain things that seem to happen in this show, more and more recently, dont sit right. But it could just be sloppy investigating not faking.

In the end I agree. My experiences are real, boy are they 0.0 and no matter who out there fakes wont make me think I imagine things. There are somethings that I cant imagine. And if Im crazy then so are others. Just makes me think, how sad people are turned off to the paranormal when there are fakes.

I like what Taps is doing either way. Maybe one day we will be able to tell (at least to the best of our abilities being outsiders) what they are in fact doing. I must admit the "I wonder if we are doing the right thing" quote with the long pause when questioned what he ment made me sit back and think. Especially the pause and how the answer didnt seem to fit. Hmmm….



Remember, dogs and cats are better than kids because they:

(1) eat less,

(2) don’t ask for money all the time,

(3) are easier to train,

(4) normally come when called,

(5) never ask to drive the car,

(6) don’t smoke or drink,

(7) don’t want to wear your clothes,

(8) don’t have to buy the latest fashions,

(9) don’t need a gazillion dollars for college and

(10) if they get pregnant, you can sell their children ..
April 25, 2010
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I think they have faked occasionally, but most of the time when they do get something odd on tape, they call it paranormal when they know it is not………. Just as good as a fake in my book…….

Either way — they don't ghost hunt, they make a TV show…..

The Doctor
April 25, 2010
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they seem like the only trustable group out there, but now I have to question them too.

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Change only to least (other than maybe Most Haunted) and then I think you are on to something. They have somewhat backed off on the shenanigans this last season seems like.

"They insisted that the victim animals simply had died of dog bites from dogs or other animals. They suggested that disease might have been responsible for one animal's death. They denied that the victims had been exsanguinated, as many witnesses had claimed, and even suggested that the puncture wounds reported might be from barbed wire. Callers reminded them that some wounds were deep enough to reach into the victims' lungs, that the flesh was not torn as in dog bites, that signs of struggles were inexplicably missing, and that corpses did not decay normally, but their arguments were brushed aside. Also brushed aside were callers' attempts to bring extraterrestrials into the conversation.

When the recording ended. I rewound it and played it again and again. I still could not believe what I was hearing. The callers had the skeptics pinned against the ropes from the very first call." - Scott Corrales
April 26, 2010
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Collargate was the infamous Halloween of 2008. It was when Grant had his collar pulled multiple times. Many think it was a string that he was pulling with his right hand. I believe they did fake this part. Even Jason's reaction leads me to believe he couldn't believe that Grant pulled the string.

As for the show and all the others, we must remember that a show will not last if it doesn't get ratings. You can only show so much stuff that could be paranormal that you must resort to other means to keep the audience hooked. To be honest I don't trust any of the shows on TV anywhere near 100%. They do it for a living, to make money. To make that money their show must be watched. Otherwise it will get canceled.

April 26, 2010
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collargate? I don't know that episode, what happened? And I have to agree, I think the first seasons are legit.

Boy where have you been?? /blink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Laugh' />

Last years Holloween epi was the most faked epi ever!!

Grant's coat collar was allegedly pulled by a ghostie…but in fact that most every one could see it was rigged so Grant pulled it himself. Hence "Collargate" has been given to the Holloween special.

It's just me!

April 27, 2010
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I think they have faked occasionally, but most of the time when they do get something odd on tape, they call it paranormal when they know it is not………. Just as good as a fake in my book…….

Either way — they don't ghost hunt, they make a TV show…..

Even if they did only fake occasionally, it makes every single other thing they do questionable. Even if by some slim chance they did find something that could be classified as "real," I wouldn't believe it because I had been duped one too many times.

I agree wholeheartedly with you that they make a television show, nothing more, nothing less. Be entertained, not educated.

Imagine there's no heaven, it's easy if you try.



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That which is unchallenged and exercised as habit rapidly becomes ritual.

When this occurs, dissent becomes an object of surprise, if not resentment.



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April 27, 2010
3:58 am PDT
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Even if they did only fake occasionally, it makes every single other thing they do questionable. Even if by some slim chance they did find something that could be classified as "real," I wouldn't believe it because I had been duped one too many times.

I agree wholeheartedly with you that they make a television show, nothing more, nothing less. Be entertained, not educated.

I have to agree with this, anything they catch at this point is questionable at best. I of course feel like an idiot now for saying how much I trusted them, in retrospect I have been let down a lot by these types of shows and I really shouldn't turn to them for support in this field. I always had a sour taste in my mouth after Most Haunted (so blatantly fake), and I think Ghosts Adventurers is just ridiculous. It's unfortunately that it has to be this way, but that's why people go hunting their ghosts I guess- although I never had too look to far to find them myself.

(I'm still gonna watch Destination Truth with high hopes though, lol, maybe I'll never learn.)

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April 27, 2010
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So many people use the word legit etc. What constitutes a legit investigation? What all the shows do is far less than an investigation and barely an examination.

TAPS has been trying to get something into their shows from the beginning. From collar gate, to the chair moving in the light house, to this video and many more. Doesn't take a genius to see they are all staged as are many of the TV shows incidents.

I use the word staged instead of faked because in my opinion everyone or almost everyone associated with the filming part has to be involved to pull these incidents off. I believe that if they didn't, then no one would watch them. So they do something small to enhance the audience excitement. All TV shows do this in one way or another so I guess as much as some incidents may push my buttons, I can't really be mad.

Most people just watch and take everything at face value but if you watch and I mean watch each episode you will always see one thing in common. There are never integrity shots. For those who don't understand what I mean, it is a wide enough shot of something so as to preserve the integrity of the incident. Wide enough to show that there could be NO human interference.

For me, if I was doing an examination where someone said a lamp moved, then I would have placed a camera at the far side of the room. Then trained it on the lamp and made everyone else leave. Not sit next to it outside of the shot. That seems like it is only common sense. TAPS claims to have so many years experience and presents themselves as the standard and experts in the paranormal field yet seems to have learned nothing.

I don't watch anymore and I don't get upset at the shows either since each episode has become quite boring and easily DEBUNKED as they like to say… lol

In my opinion it is not a subject to get wound up about anymore. People shouldn't get mad at them but show pity.

April 27, 2010
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So many people use the word legit etc. What constitutes a legit investigation? What all the shows do is far less than an investigation and barely an examination.

TAPS has been trying to get something into their shows from the beginning. From collar gate, to the chair moving in the light house, to this video and many more. Doesn't take a genius to see they are all staged as are many of the TV shows incidents.

I use the word staged instead of faked because in my opinion everyone or almost everyone associated with the filming part has to be involved to pull these incidents off. I believe that if they didn't, then no one would watch them. So they do something small to enhance the audience excitement. All TV shows do this in one way or another so I guess as much as some incidents may push my buttons, I can't really be mad.

Most people just watch and take everything at face value but if you watch and I mean watch each episode you will always see one thing in common. There are never integrity shots. For those who don't understand what I mean, it is a wide enough shot of something so as to preserve the integrity of the incident. Wide enough to show that there could be NO human interference.

For me, if I was doing an examination where someone said a lamp moved, then I would have placed a camera at the far side of the room. Then trained it on the lamp and made everyone else leave. Not sit next to it outside of the shot. That seems like it is only common sense. TAPS claims to have so many years experience and presents themselves as the standard and experts in the paranormal field yet seems to have learned nothing.

I don't watch anymore and I don't get upset at the shows either since each episode has become quite boring and easily DEBUNKED as they like to say… lol

In my opinion it is not a subject to get wound up about anymore. People shouldn't get mad at them but show pity.

I have to disagree with you there. I definitely don't believe all those examples are staged. Creative editing … sure! Misinterpretation of evidence … of course! All staged? Not in my opinion.

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April 27, 2010
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I dont know about all the incidents, but I'm sure the collar pull was faked…badly at that haha

and the hanger incident is HIGHLY likely to be faked.

April 27, 2010
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I have to disagree with you there. I definitely don't believe all those examples are staged. Creative editing … sure! Misinterpretation of evidence … of course! All staged? Not in my opinion.

First I would like to say that MK made my statement bold to clarify which part she was addressing. I don't want anyone to think I was yelling or trying to be a wise guy. Someone blamed me for that once…LOL

Anyway, I totally understand where you and many others are coming from. I would have to go with misrepresentation rather than misinterpretation however. I guess too, it depends on what an individual considers evidence. So far of all the years on TV, I have not seen one piece of anything of evidentiary value on the TAPS show. I grant you there have been a time or two that they may have picked up on a clue but like all the episodes that is where it ends.

I would have to say that if their findings are open to interpretation then my interpretation is that what they present as evidence is less than genuine. That is about as nice as I can be. I apologize if I ruffle any TAPS fans feathers but until they do an actual investigation and come up with actual evidence. I just can’t bring myself to think any other way no matter how open minded I would like to be.

I have my own video and have videos others have sent me that depict interesting phenomena but wouldn’t try to get people to believe anything other than what it is and that is , that they are just interesting videos that have incidents I can’t explain but they are far from evidence.

Evidence being of course; that which tends to prove or disprove something. The grounds for belief. Proof or something that makes things plain or clear. I don’t see that anywhere on the TV shows.

April 27, 2010
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First I would like to say that MK made my statement bold to clarify which part she was addressing. I don't want anyone to think I was yelling or trying to be a wise guy. Someone blamed me for that once…LOL

Anyway, I totally understand where you and many others are coming from. I would have to go with misrepresentation rather than misinterpretation however. I guess too, it depends on what an individual considers evidence. So far of all the years on TV, I have not seen one piece of anything of evidentiary value on the TAPS show. I grant you there have been a time or two that they may have picked up on a clue but like all the episodes that is where it ends.

I would have to say that if their findings are open to interpretation then my interpretation is that what they present as evidence is less than genuine. That is about as nice as I can be. I apologize if I ruffle any TAPS fans feathers but until they do an actual investigation and come up with actual evidence. I just can’t bring myself to think any other way no matter how open minded I would like to be.

I have my own video and have videos others have sent me that depict interesting phenomena but wouldn’t try to get people to believe anything other than what it is and that is , that they are just interesting videos that have incidents I can’t explain but they are far from evidence.

Evidence being of course; that which tends to prove or disprove something. The grounds for belief. Proof or something that makes things plain or clear. I don’t see that anywhere on the TV shows.

No need to apologize! You didn't ruffle my feathers at all. Just wanted to give my opinion here. Yes, I just bolded the sentence I was referring to. heehee

Everyone has their own opinions, and that is A-OK.

And you have a great point … what is being presented as "evidence" definitely, at times, seems suspect. Whether it was set up, staged, or what have you, I wasn't there. I can only offer my opinions about what I think I see on TV. And I think I see some editing going on that has led to misinterpretation (or misrepresentation).

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April 27, 2010
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With evidence, it is up to the jurors to decide. We are the jurors.

April 27, 2010
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With evidence, it is up to the jurors to decide. We are the jurors.

Fortunately, there are no lives on the line so we don't all have to be in agreement. /wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />

Imagine there's no heaven, it's easy if you try.



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That which is unchallenged and exercised as habit rapidly becomes ritual.

When this occurs, dissent becomes an object of surprise, if not resentment.



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April 28, 2010
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So here's a question. What if they have something happen but didn't get a good catch on camera so they "recreate" it? I would imagine the temptation to do this would be huge since it really happened.

Edit: Want to point out that this is a purely hypothetical question – something I was wondering about.

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