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I won't even start on the morality of trying to contact Hitler.
I by no means condone the idea of contacting Hitler, Mussolini, Vlad, or whomever for the purpose of entertainment but what of historical value or interest?
No one is born evil and may not continue on the same path after death. No one living can be sure they do, yet.
Opens up an interesting idea for discussion?
I by no means condone the idea of contacting Hitler, Mussolini, Vlad, or whomever for the purpose of entertainment but what of historical value or interest?
No one is born evil and may not continue on the same path after death. No one living can be sure they do, yet.
Opens up an interesting idea for discussion?
I have to disagree with you there – I think it's possible for people to be born evil. How one goes about proving that – I have no idea. If there is a God, hopefully the most evil (i.e. Hitler, Mussolini, Bundy, etc.) are burning in hell. I don't have any evidence to cite (and don't have time to do the research at the moment), but wasn't there a study in the news about serial killers brains being wired differently (aside from the obvious that is)? It seems like I read something about chemical processes in the brain being different, etc. for those with no moral conscience. Sound familiar to anyone? (Or am I thinking of an episode of Law & Order, lol.)
Let's just say for argument's sake that it was possible to contact one of these people – what could you possibly learn from someone who has no moral conscience? Are you thinking one might be able to prevent someone in the future from inflicting such atrocities? If they are as evil in the afterlife as they were in life, nothing said could be trusted, no? Or, is this not what you are asking?
Ooh…this could get into the whole "Minority Report" issue of being able to prevent a crime before it actually occurred…
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I didn't watch the episode but were they using English to try to communicate with Hitler?
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I by no means condone the idea of contacting Hitler, Mussolini, Vlad, or whomever for the purpose of entertainment but what of historical value or interest?
No one is born evil and may not continue on the same path after death. No one living can be sure they do, yet.
Opens up an interesting idea for discussion?
And what do you think Hitler would communicate, even if it were possible? All this is speculation. Speculation about an afterlife or lack thereof. But that is why there have always been Spiritualists, Mediums, Sybils, Religions, Ghost Hunters……
Just what "historical value" do you think we'd get from such a contact? I am not trying to diss you, I'm just asking.
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I didn't watch the episode but were they using English to try to communicate with Hitler?
Some German – mostly English.
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but wasn't there a study in the news about serial killers brains being wired differently (aside from the obvious that is)? It seems like I read something about chemical processes in the brain being different, etc. for those with no moral conscience.
Let's just say for argument's sake that it was possible to contact one of these people – what could you possibly learn from someone who has no moral conscience? Are you thinking one might be able to prevent someone in the future from inflicting such atrocities? If they are as evil in the afterlife as they were in life, nothing said could be trusted, no? Or, is this not what you are asking?
Well, I am speaking in Paranormal terms for the most part.
Everything you speak of is a physical condition of the living not spiritual or paranormal. So even being wired differently means they grew up physically changing and becoming evil. You mentioned GOD. Do you think the religious believe GOD created them evil?
I think it may be something like why some people think spirits speak different languages. They don't but the living think they do. I think it may be the same principal here.
As far as what good could come out of it? There are still a lot of unanswered facts about atrocities committed by these people. A lot of missing victims, not to mention all the treasures they looted that disappeared and so on. There is a lot of good that could come out of being able to contact these type people. That's just my opinion however.
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I didn't watch the episode but were they using English to try to communicate with Hitler?
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Yea, can you picture if this was Ghost Adentures. Zak would try to provoke Hitler about his bad haircut and cheesy mustache. /rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes:' />
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Yea, can you picture if this was Ghost Adentures. Zak would try to provoke Hitler about his bad haircut and cheesy mustache.
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Just as long as one them doesn't get possessed.
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I didn't watch the episode but were they using English to try to communicate with Hitler?
In my experience I have found that it is perfectly acceptable to speak in your native language to spirits of any nationality.
They understand regardless of what language is being spoken by the living.
My initial problem was that I was treating the phenomena as I would for the living. It doesn't seem to work that way for spirits.
There I go getting off topic again. LOL
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In my experience I have found that it is perfectly acceptable to speak in your native language to spirits of any nationality.
They understand regardless of what language is being spoken by the living.
My initial problem was that I was treating the phenomena as I would for the living. It doesn't seem to work that way for spirits.
There I go getting off topic again. LOL
this is something that has been debated time and time again over on the GHI forum.
so i'm curious, are you saying that you personally have communciated in english
with a spirit that wouldnt have known english when they were alive?
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this is something that has been debated time and time again over on the GHI forum.
so i'm curious, are you saying that you personally have communciated in english
with a spirit that wouldnt have known english when they were alive?
Yes and so have some well known researchers.
In fact, Konstantin Raudive conducted an EVP experiment where, there were several different people in the room from around Europe. They all heard the same response in their own respective languages.
I have a theory but am still working on it.
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Yes and so have some well known researchers.
In fact, Konstantin Raudive conducted an EVP experiment where, there were several different people in the room from around Europe. They all heard the same response in their own respective languages.
I have a theory but am still working on it.
are you saying that the people heard their own language on the recording?
that's either incredibly amazing OR people hearing what they want to hear,
which of course would be in their own languge. like when i hear nothing
on a GH evp until they tell me what i'm suppose to be hearing then suddenly
it does sound like words haha.
i'm not saying which i think it is, i have never heard of this experiment
before or Raudive so i'm just throwing out the 2 possibilities.
i know on GHI they have picked up EVPs that were in foreign language,
i guess that would go against hearing in your own language.
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are you saying that the people heard their own language on the recording?
that's either incredibly amazing OR people hearing what they want to hear,
which of course would be in their own languge. like when i hear nothing
on a GH evp until they tell me what i'm suppose to be hearing then suddenly
it does sound like words haha.
i'm not saying which i think it is, i have never heard of this experiment
before or Raudive so i'm just throwing out the 2 possibilities.
i know on GHI they have picked up EVPs that were in foreign language,
i guess that would go against hearing in your own language.
The experiments I speak of are not scratchy sounds being interpreted as something being said or open to interpretation. (Hearing what they want to hear)
They are actual voices responding to direct questions. Done quite a while ago however and Raudive is dead now. There is a big difference between an evp and actual spirit voices although the norm is to believe they are the same. However, people don't do EVP research like these people did. Raudive (pronounced Rau – do – vey) did over 100,000 experimental recordings. He is considered the father of the EVP.
Yes, in Raudive's experiment, they heard the responses in their own language that they could easily understand.
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that's really interesting.
were these recordings or they actually heard them at the time they were spoken?
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that's really interesting.
were these recordings or they actually heard them at the time they were spoken?
As I recall, they were heard from a recording device that he invented.
I have his book "Breakthrough." If you are into EVP then his book is esential to understanding where it really all started on serious research in my opinion. It wasn't too long ago but before the people you see on TV were around. I have to re-read it again.
Oh if you are interested, the book is OOP and very expensive. Try and get your local library to get it.
Here is a little info on him. RAUDIVE
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I know I am the definite minority on this issue, but I see nothing wrong with trying to contact Hitler, Vlad, Mussolini or anyone else. I don't know that we would learn anything more about the atrocities they committed by doing so, but I certainly don't think it's disrespectful for anyone to try. Whether contact is attempted or avoided, it isn't going to change history nor is it going to go away if we ignore it. It is what it is and nothing is going to change that.
I agree with GhostBreakers in that there could be as much learned by contacting them as anyone else.
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thanks for link Kim. he sounds very interesting,
i'll look and see if my library has it.
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Hello, All!
This thread is probably kaput – but I do not like to put information out that is not accurate. I posted that it would be impossible to verify DNA evidence for Hitler. That is not so. I went back to my books because I remembered reading that Hitler did have siblings or half siblings. So to correct myself:
Hitler's Father was Alois – illegitamate, so had the name of his Mother for 30 years – Schicklgruber. (Heil Schicklgruber?). After 30 years, Alois' Father came to the Church Registry to admit Paternity and had Alois' surname changed to Hitler.
Alois second marriage produced two children: Alois and Angela. Alois the second had several marriages and families, one abandoned family was in England. Angela had a daughter named Geli Raubal.
Alois (Father) Hitler's third marriage to Klara Poelzl produced 5 children:
Gustav – died in infancy
Ida – died in infancy
Edmond – died at 6 years old
Adolf
Paula – survived the war
I know that this means nothing to people, but I simply cannot stand to put out inaccurate information, especially when I have the facts at hand. If I put out inaccurate info because I do not have the facts – I am happy to be shown wrong. Never too old to learn!
Thanks
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I could be wrong but I remember seeing something on I think the History Channel awhile back where they were talking to a woman that claimed to be a descendant of Hitler. Unless she was lying or something but I don't know why anyone would claim that ancestor.
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I could be wrong but I remember seeing something on I think the History Channel awhile back where they were talking to a woman that claimed to be a descendant of Hitler. Unless she was lying or something but I don't know why anyone would claim that ancestor.
i saw the same program, ryan. there was also a man who they claimed was his (great?)nephew living in england, i think. it was pretty interesting.
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