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OfflineI always thought of the two as step 1&2 First you ghosthunt if & when you find one you move onto the investigation.
Thank you. You explaind my point very well. In order to investigate, you need something to investigate. I guess simply put I should have said that ghost hunting is an integral part to and investigation. It just isn't the same thing.
OfflineFor the most part, I'd have to agree with Ghostbreaker's statements (note my signature); however, I would take exception to a couple of points – coming from someone who considers themselves a "hunter" and not an "investigator:"
First off, we do limited research (and yes, some of that is historical). Even though our goal is to attempt to document the claims of those reporting a sighting – which absolutely includes the time of day they were reported to occur – we still find it both helpful and beneficial to try to piece together things. Also, let me be absolutely clear it does NOT mean that we discount other reasons for what might be occurring – it isn't just validity, but finding out other possible reasons we're after. So no, it is NOT just about turning off the lights and hoping for thrill and excitement – there's a lot of homework involved and there are also other factors, such as a person's well-being that must be taken into account.
Second, we ARE trying to come up with a conclusion: are the claims valid? By trying to recreate in the best sense possible the situation(s) when they were reported to take place, we try to figure out if the claims are possibly paranormal or if there is another reason for them (and often, they are).
So again, while I'd agree for the most part with Ghostbreakers, but I think it goes a lot farther than simply combing the beach with a metal detector! /biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />
OfflineWell this is what is important, to me anyway: there's no "better" in either form. It is a personal and emotional commitment with either, in my opinion.
To clarify, there's a difference between finding out why a place may be haunted and finding out if a place may be haunted. I think it all comes down to what level a person or group chooses to come at the issue from.
To clarify, there's a difference between finding out why a place may be haunted and finding out if a place may be haunted. I think it all comes down to what level a person or group chooses to come at the issue from.
Now that completely nails it for me. It's definitely a two-parter when I investigate regardles… if and then why, or how.
Like I said before, it's truly a personal opinion based on perception of the industry and "investigation process".
OfflineWow, now I am sorry I said anything and to see people taking it personally. I did not intend to ruffle feathers and I should have known better. I knew it was a touchy subject as I have seen it before.
People can call themselves whatever they like no matter what they really do with my blessing. It has no bearing on me or what I do. To each his own. Besides it wouldn't do anyone any good if everyone was the same and for the record… I didn't start as an investigator, I started out as a ghost hunter.
Guess I will be a little more careful in the future.
Wow, now I am sorry I said anything and to see people taking it personally. I did not intend to ruffle feathers and I should have known better.
Oh I don't think you're ruffling any feather and I'm glad you posted it. These are the kinds of conversations I enjoy when everyone posts their own personal opinions. I get anxious to read them because I have learned from others in that sense. Also, sometimes people, myself included, may come across as sounded ruffled but I am blunt, and I ask direct questions. In general on forums specifically it's confusing to understand what a person is saying. I just looked at this thread as talking about our differences, similar opinions and how we all go about doing things.
No ruffles here, at least… I'm enjoying this convo and I thank you for it!
BUT, I will say I apologize if I come across as seeming upset. I have to remember that being direct or asking questions can seem a little different than how I actually feel or what I mean if I were speaking with you directly. (Oh, I just got an idea based on that last comment….THANKS KIM!!!)
EDIT – I had a funny little "cheers" thing up here but for some reason the photo didn't transfer or tag properly.
Offlinehave to remember that being direct or asking questions can seem a little different than how I actually feel or what I mean if I were speaking with you directly. (Oh, I just got an idea based on that last comment….THANKS KIM!!!)
I understand. I guess I should'nt read emotion into the written word unless it is made specific. I'll be more careful.
No need to be more careful! I ask a lot of questions to make sure I'm understand the post too, because like I said it's different to converse via a form versus in "real life" with the voice and whatnot. So to make sure I understand where others are coming from, I ask a lot of questions or make a lot of comments… Sometimes we are all thinking the same thing and think we aren't! I get a chuckle out of those convos.
OfflineWow, now I am sorry I said anything and to see people taking it personally. I did not intend to ruffle feathers and I should have known better. I knew it was a touchy subject as I have seen it before.
People can call themselves whatever they like no matter what they really do with my blessing. It has no bearing on me or what I do. To each his own. Besides it wouldn't do anyone any good if everyone was the same and for the record… I didn't start as an investigator, I started out as a ghost hunter.
Guess I will be a little more careful in the future.
I don't think your ruffling. I enjoy reading the conversations with the investigators and find this thread a good read.
Different ideas are always good to share, and the way different investigators investigate.
I think something could be adapted or learned, I'm learning.
Hope the sharing continues.
OfflineThanks for the answers to my questions GB /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
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I'm glad you answered them with your honest opinions. Don't feel you have to censor yourself.
I have a better understanding of where you're coming from now. I'll still confess I cant really
get how it can be exciting every second, but that's me /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
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GB. I guess that's why I'm not an investigator. But I try to think of it in the sense that I LOVE
my job. I wake up every morning thrilled to be going to work, but there are times that my job
is just plain d*mn boring. Doesnt mean I dont love my job, doesnt mean I shouldnt be doing
my job. Just means that sometimes, things are boring haha.
I really do appreciate you taking the time to answer me, and I appreciate your input too Tom /biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />
Thanks guys
OfflineYeah, there's no feathers ruffled here, either. As I said, I think you're right on the money for the most part. I take absolutely no offense whatsoever. There is indeed a difference, and its good to know there is a difference.
Although I'm super duper miffed you don't take my beach combing metal detector seriously! Ghosts like to catch a tan every now & then too, you know! /tongue.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':P' />
Although I'm super duper miffed you don't take my beach combing metal detector seriously! Ghosts like to catch a tan every now & then too, you know!
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*lol*
The funny thing is, you KNOW there's a ghost hunter out there who uses one assuming it will attract ghosts due to it's magnetic abilities!!
Offlinehaha! Well I won't buy one until I see it advertised on a ghost hunting website. That's the only way I can tell if its something legit!
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OfflineI dunno – I see the whole "ghost hunters vs. paranormal investigators" as semantics. I say call yourself whatever you feel comfortable with. I think there are as many different reasons and goals for the paranormal investigation thing as there are people doing it. For me – I don't think I really do either. I'm more of a paranormal experiencer with some research tossed in. My goal is to go out and actually make a personal connection with the ghosts that may be there. I want them to know that somebody cares and that they aren't forgotten. My secondary goal is to find answers to questions that I have, and I figure only I will know when I get those answers.
Offlineas one who is neither a hunter nor an investigator but merely an 'experiencer' (i think i just made up a word there…) i am finding this thread extremely educational and i thank all involved for their input.
"We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of dreams." - Willy Wonka (Gene Wilder)
Offlineas one who is neither a hunter nor an investigator but merely an 'experiencer' (i think i just made up a word there…) i am finding this thread extremely educational and i thank all involved for their input.
The term I think you probably fall under would be Paranormal Examiner. It about half of both and no one can dispute it. Although if a person chooses to just experience what is around them then Paranormal Experiencer sounds good.
I personally don't see it as semantics. Since the definitions of both are fairly opposite. Then again, in this field where no one really cares and more people seem against standardization than for it. I guess people can call themselves anything they want these days and others will just have to take them at their word. For me it is kind of sad as I have seen many places that have closed their doors to ghost hunters due to people making false representations.
OfflineWow, we not only got off topic but remained on topic during the off topic discussion. This is worthy of a thread by itself but I think we already have one for it.
As for me I can see the difference between paranormal investigator and ghost hunter, but I see it mostly to the public as a matter of a marketing term. My opinion between the two is this: A ghost hunter is a person or group that is out there to satisfy their curiosity about the paranormal. They may or may not help clients but it doesn't matter to them. A paranormal investigator is there to help the client and try to debunk natural occurrences that they or the client encounter. Also the person or group can go back and forth between the two. For example my group are mainly investigators but we have done ghost hunting at places like the Myrtles. Yeah we debunked some stuff but we were there to relax and have fun, no client involved.
I believe that PIs also educate the public in regards to the paranormal whereas the ghost hunter doesn't really do this.
Finally like I said earlier in my post, this is just my opinion. Take it or leave it. /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':huh:' />
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