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Ghost Hunting, by J. Hawes and G. Wilson
April 29, 2009
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So, I have a habit of reading several books at the same time. I won't finish with this one for a while. But, I'll add points in here on and off. That catch my attention:

Jason states:

"At the time. I was twenty-two, couple of years removed from my first paranormal experience. At the age of twenty. I had gotten involved with a lady who practiced Reiki, a Japanese technique for stress reduction. and healing that depends on the manipulation of a person's life-force energy.

At first, I was skeptical about the idea of life-force energy. Then, after six months or so of exposure to the technique. I started seeing. things. Usually it started with a mist, out of which emanated a dim light, and then out of the light came other things--including see-through animals and full-body human apparitions."

I personally don't believe that this insight to the paranormal came from Reiki. It's too far fetch even for me.

"Then, one day in the aquarium at Mystic, Connecticut, a woman in her fifties came up to me out of nowhere and ask in a tender, almost intimate way, "How are you doing?"

It was a strange question to ask someone she had never met. Before I could answer her, she continued, "Hon," she said "you're seeing things. I know. But you can make it stop. Try green olives. I'll see you again soon." Then she walked away. I was too dumbfounded to stop her and ask her how she knew about my problem."

She's a psychic. As for olives. It's the combination of salt and olive oil. Psychic's use these kinds of "tools" and other herbs to get rid of "things" /wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':P' /> . I know it doesn't make sense.

"Stranger still, the green olive approach worked. I ate those suckers all day long, a bottle a day, and the visions I'd been having went away. I wasn't cured for life, because whenever I stopped eating olives the visions came back. But, at least I had found a way to alleviate the symptoms".

So, for me this means he believes in psychics. But, never uses them on the show. As for the olives. A bottle a day? A small bottle that's 5 1/2 oz. With 5 servings the sodium amount per serving is 300 mg. My HBP would be through the roof. When he's doing an investigation is he on or off the olives?

April 29, 2009
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So, I have a habit of reading several books at the same time. I won't finish with this one for a while. But, I'll add points in here on and off. That catch my attention:

Jason states:

"At the time. I was twenty-two, couple of years removed from my first paranormal experience. At the age of twenty. I had gotten involved with a lady who practiced Reiki, a Japanese technique for stress reduction. and healing that depends on the manipulation of a person's life-force energy.

At first, I was skeptical about the idea of life-force energy. Then, after six months or so of exposure to the technique. I started seeing. things. Usually it started with a mist, out of which emanated a dim light, and then out of the light came other things--including see-through animals and full-body human apparitions."

I personally don't believe that this insight to the paranormal came from Reiki. It's too far fetch even for me.

"Then, one day in the aquarium at Mystic, Connecticut, a woman in her fifties came up to me out of nowhere and ask in a tender, almost intimate way, "How are you doing?"

It was a strange question to ask someone she had never met. Before I could answer her, she continued, "Hon," she said "you're seeing things. I know. But you can make it stop. Try green olives. I'll see you again soon." Then she walked away. I was too dumbfounded to stop her and ask her how she knew about my problem."

She's a psychic. As for olives. It's the combination of salt and olive oil. Psychic's use these kinds of "tools" and other herbs to get rid of "things" /wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':P' /> . I know it doesn't make sense.

"Stranger still, the green olive approach worked. I ate those suckers all day long, a bottle a day, and the visions I'd been having went away. I wasn't cured for life, because whenever I stopped eating olives the visions came back. But, at least I had found a way to alleviate the symptoms".

So, for me this means he believes in psychics. But, never uses them on the show. As for the olives. A bottle a day? A small bottle that's 5 1/2 oz. With 5 servings the sodium amount per serving is 300 mg. My HBP would be through the roof. When he's doing an investigation is he on or off the olives?

I hate green olives. I couldn't do it.

So, are you enjoying the book?

April 29, 2009
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Oh gosh, I just love green olives. Yum!

I read this book back when it first was published. I thought that it provided a better insight -- as compared to the show -- in regard to how the team operates and the bigger picture of just how many people are involved in TAPS. And some of the cases they detailed … interesting. The writing wasn't great, but I felt it was more of a conversational book than some great literary piece. LOL

Curious to hear more of your thoughts on the book Crouty.

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April 29, 2009
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Lol! /laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' /> You notice how badly written the book was. I'm still reading the cases. Was reading about the Toronto case. Have to do something while riding the rails to and from NYC (2 hrs. each way). There's a wedding were preparing for.

I'll be finish. In between reading "Lovely Bones". And, of course my brother-in-law's book. Which I'm reading first. It's a bad habit of mine reading about 5 books at the same time.

April 30, 2009
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Lol! /laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Laugh' /> You notice how badly written the book was. I'm still reading the cases. Was reading about the Toronto case. Have to do something while riding the rails to and from NYC (2 hrs. each way). There's a wedding were preparing for.

I'll be finish. In between reading "Lovely Bones". And, of course my brother-in-law's book. Which I'm reading first. It's a bad habit of mine reading about 5 books at the same time.

I do the exact same thing.

Currently, I'm reading the third policeman by flann o'brien, fellowship of the ring by tolkien (reread), complicity by iain banks and Keith Moon's biography (can't remember the name).

I've already read the book by Jay and Grant and would agree that it sort of "fills in" some of the blanks about those two, but it's been awhile so I don't remember alot of it.

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April 30, 2009
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I like the bullet points, Crouty. I had thought about reading the book, but not seriously enough to go find a copy! /rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Laugh' />

I can't wait for the next installment. Can we do this like the old radio serials? "Stay tuned to see if Jason turns green from eating a jar of olives a day!"

(btw, I like green olives too! They're great on pizza!)

April 30, 2009
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Canadian Bacon and Black Olives, the only good toppings on pizza.

April 30, 2009
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I like the bullet points, Crouty. I had thought about reading the book, but not seriously enough to go find a copy! /rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Laugh' />

I can't wait for the next installment. Can we do this like the old radio serials? "Stay tuned to see if Jason turns green from eating a jar of olives a day!"

(btw, I like green olives too! They're great on pizza!)

Yup! That's my plan.

So, another tidbit.

"RIPS" it's the name of J's group before TAPS "also visited some homes, responding to residents who wanted to know if they were living with supernatural entities. I remember one Connecticut case in particular--not because of any significant paranormal activity but because while I was there I ran into the woman I had met in the Mystic aquarium. Like us, she was checking out the house for signs of haunting.

It was a strange moment. But then, she had said we would meet again. I made sure to thank her for the olive idea."

I still wonder if he still pops those things.

"About the same time, I got a call from a guy who had seen our rinky-dink RIPS website and said he could improve on it, make it nicer-looking and more functional. In fact, he was willing to redesign it for free. He just wanted to add it to his portfolio so he could get other work in the future."

Guess who this was?

April 30, 2009
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Brian Harnois? Okay, you said guess…[ducking tomatoes]

April 30, 2009
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Canadian Bacon and Black Olives, the only good toppings on pizza.

NOOOOO black olives … green olives rule! /tongue.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Laugh' />

Yup! That's my plan.

So, another tidbit.

"RIPS" it's the name of J's group before TAPS "also visited some homes, responding to residents who wanted to know if they were living with supernatural entities. I remember one Connecticut case in particular--not because of any significant paranormal activity but because while I was there I ran into the woman I had met in the Mystic aquarium. Like us, she was checking out the house for signs of haunting.

It was a strange moment. But then, she had said we would meet again. I made sure to thank her for the olive idea."

I still wonder if he still pops those things.

"About the same time, I got a call from a guy who had seen our rinky-dink RIPS website and said he could improve on it, make it nicer-looking and more functional. In fact, he was willing to redesign it for free. He just wanted to add it to his portfolio so he could get other work in the future."

Guess who this was?

GRANT!

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May 1, 2009
1:08 pm PDT
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NOOOOO black olives … green olives rule! /tongue.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

GRANT!

Correct!

May 1, 2009
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"It was outside the doughnut place, as we were talking alongside my Subaru, that the guy finally came clean. He had had an experience of his own--a recurring one, from the time he was fifteen until he turned seventeen and went to college."

So, what I see from this, it stopped. It could have been his hormones at the time.

"Finally I said, "Screw the rest of what's out there," referring to other ghost hunters and their methods. "Let's do it our way". "

So, that was the start of what we see now. What he was saying about the other groups is that they would say everything is haunted. That they don't collect evidence.

"Grant said it best: "If you set out to prove a haunting, anything will seem like evidence. If you set out to disprove it, you'll end up with only things you can't explain away".

Now, I know what your thinking. Which comes first the chicken or the egg? So, does this means. When you can't explain it away. The place is haunted?

May 1, 2009
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The biggest problem that I see – Jason appears to be a believer, not a debunker, so why are they presenting themselves as primarily choosing to debunk?

May 1, 2009
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Very true. He's totally a believer. But, like the old saying going, "Do as I say. Not as I do".

May 1, 2009
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The biggest problem that I see – Jason appears to be a believer, not a debunker, so why are they presenting themselves as primarily choosing to debunk?

But here's the thing, he can be a believer AND a debunker. On the show, he presents his team as debunking first and foremost before going to that next step of claiming "paranormal" activity. He looks for a normal explanation first.

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May 1, 2009
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But here's the thing, he can be a believer AND a debunker. On the show, he presents his team as debunking first and foremost before going to that next step of claiming "paranormal" activity. He looks for a normal explanation first.

Like I said about myself. I'm a believer. But, love skeptics. They point out and discuss that it can be something else or created. I don't believe every knock, or shadow, smell, voices are paranormal. So, I would say I'm a believer and a debunker.

But, the book is very interesting. Because he's more than a debunker. And, in the past he didn't run his cases like he does on the show. He believes in things that know one ever discuss in any forum. I'll get into that later. It's an eyeopener.

May 2, 2009
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I think that my issue with them is that they act like they reinvented the wheel. That all other groups were c-rap (is that really such a bad word that it needs to be censored?), that none used the scientific method and none were into finding "normal" explanations for "paranormal" activity. Which is a load of horsehockey. Were/are there a lot of groups who are looking to immediately find the paranormal? Of course. But there were groups into debunking long before Jay and Silent Grant showed up on the scene. My place in groups has always been the person looking for psychological reasons why someone might be feeling/seeing what they are. If a group wants someone like me around, they're not into proving a haunting, they're into finding out what could actually be going on, paranormal or other.

May 3, 2009
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"Other groups looked for publicity, seeking out the media on Halloween and so on. We never did that."

That changed.

"Grant and I decided that in order to extend our contact network, we first had to separate the people who saw things our way from those who didn't, and the best way to do that was by being controversial."

This is true. That's how they built their empire.

"So we put up an article on our website that essentially said orbs were trash." "The paranormal field was polarized almost overnight."

So this is the basis of how they got started.

"Grant and I cut a deal. He would take care of the creative and technical facets of our organization, areas where he's the undisputed king. I would handle the management and business aspects."

I wonder how strict they are in this idea. I would find it hard not to have any input in the total running of the group. If I am one of the founders.

May 3, 2009
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Now they were the first to say that orbs were crap and that polarized the community? I've ALWAYS thought orbs were nonsense.

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Orbs are c-rap seems to be a fairly common belief in the paranormal.

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