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Ghost Adventures
September 18, 2010
12:28 pm PDT
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Yes, but my beef with this part is that they tell you want you are going to hear instead of letting you decide for yourself. After they tell you what it says, of course you're going to hear it.

All of those "EVPs" sounded highly manipulated to me -- amplified and filtered common sounds to manufacture EVPs…….

Even on the show they called it "enhanced audio"………

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September 18, 2010
2:28 pm PDT
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Great show, these guys are such a blast to watch. I really enjoyed the beginning where they were trying to get into character. It was really hokey but I give them props for making the effort and going over the history. I do believe they had some new and improved camera work going on, it was a little more slick and less amateurish. I was really creeped out by the whole orphanage part of the lockdown. Also, I think Zak crossed the line when he was laying on "Jenny" in the cellar of the Jenny Wade house- isn't this like a museum or something? What does everyone think about the "I'm pregnant" evp? I can't wait to go to see all these places with my own two eyes!

September 18, 2010
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It's getting to the point where you could make a drinking game out of every time Zak strikes an idiotic pose and says "This is what we do" in an overly melodramatic tone. They are getting too over the top for my taste. The show used to be my guilty pleasure, but it is a little much to stomach anymore. Time will tell, it is still early in the season.

Andy





September 18, 2010
6:40 pm PDT
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All of those "EVPs" sounded highly manipulated to me -- amplified and filtered common sounds to manufacture EVPs…….

Even on the show they called it "enhanced audio"………

I agree. Maybe whenever they play that "enhanced audio" they should puts quotes around it too.

What does everyone think about the "I'm pregnant" evp?

See above. Also, I love how they apparently caught the girl saying this and, of course, it's completely unverifiable. Convenient, isn't it?

It's getting to the point where you could make a drinking game out of every time Zak strikes an idiotic pose and says "This is what we do" in an overly melodramatic tone. They are getting too over the top for my taste. The show used to be my guilty pleasure, but it is a little much to stomach anymore. Time will tell, it is still early in the season.

Andy

And we should all take two drinks when we see the sheen of lip gloss on Zak's lips! /laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes:' /> /laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />

Imagine there's no heaven, it's easy if you try.



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That which is unchallenged and exercised as habit rapidly becomes ritual.

When this occurs, dissent becomes an object of surprise, if not resentment.



B. Carmon Hardy
September 19, 2010
5:26 pm PDT
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I'm watching the Gettysburg GA right now. I'm finding the re-enactment stuff a bit overblown.

September 19, 2010
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It wasn't too bad of a new season. I admit the EVPs were clear and I could actually understand what the actor said, I mean the ghost said.

September 19, 2010
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I love it when Zak gives the camera that hugely significant look and says, "This. IS. What. We. Do." Gets me every time. I'm thinking of doing that every time I do anything about the house. Scrub a toilet – give people a significant look and say, "This is what I do!" Bake cookies and give the look and say, "This is what I do!" I may also start referring to myself in the third person, just for fun.

September 19, 2010
6:08 pm PDT
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I may also start referring to myself in the third person, just for fun.

Wait, you don't already? Hmm, maybe I'm the only one then. lol

Imagine there's no heaven, it's easy if you try.



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That which is unchallenged and exercised as habit rapidly becomes ritual.

When this occurs, dissent becomes an object of surprise, if not resentment.



B. Carmon Hardy
September 19, 2010
7:14 pm PDT
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I will give them props on thermal camera selection. That particular FLIR has a 620x480 resolution sensor, highest available to civilian market (beats the hell outta my 160x120 FLIR hands down). That particular FLIR has a base model price around 45k, so you can be sure that they only rented it. With weekly rates (usually the lowest amount of time you can rent an imager for) starting at almost 2k, they could have bought their own FLIR and used it more than one show (although it certainly wouldn't have the performance of that one they used). My thing is this: since it was most certainly a rental, there was a lot of pressure to produce something with it's use. If I remember correctly, this was the first deployment of a FLIR in this franchise, so like anything else, they had to have something to show for it. This brings me to…

The "apparition". Without going into a long description of thermal technology as I have done elsewhere on this board, let me simply restate that the technology works nothing like they were portraying. Thermal imagers use emitted and reflected longwave infrared radiation. There cannot be anything "translucent" as having a nebulous form is not possible with one exception. Volatile organic compounds and certain organic gasses can block the transmission of longwave radiation from objects behind them, making a cloudlike "vapor" appear. It would look nothing like a form at all, more like a fluctuating fog. It certainly would not take the form of a walking man. The halo effect around the heat target is a common artifact in focal plane array IR sensors and nothing paranormal at all.

That person walking in that footage was exactly that….a person (still living). Thermal technology cannot detect objects without sufficient mass to emit or reflect long wave IR radiation, sorry crew. The implication of this is that they either accidentally captured a person on the FLIR and knew it would make for good television, or they purposefully manipulated it to look like the ghost of a civil war soldier was taking a midnight stroll by the tracks. It's entirely possible production crew did it without their knowledge to preserve their reactions. Only problem with that is that I personally have reviewed almost a hundred hours of investigative thermal video and if you are not looking at the right spots, you can miss a lot. I hope I am wrong but they seemed to know exactly where to look and Nick's reaction to something in the darkness was the setup. I fear the implications are as serious as collargate. If you can't make it, fake it…"This is what WE do". Most people would never know the difference. It's one thing to use crappy voice recorders and poor protocols to stretch everything into an evp, but this took some planning. I am very disappointed. Do it honestly and show results, or lack thereof. No shame in that, and at least it is real.

Andy





September 19, 2010
9:07 pm PDT
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Andy – I'm glad you mentioned that. My guess is that it probably was a live person. Or, perhaps I should say Karen's guess is that it is a live person. That's what Karen does.

I'm hoping it was just this one episode – but the Gettysburg show almost felt to me to be a caricature of itself.

September 20, 2010
3:49 am PDT
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I will give them props on thermal camera selection. That particular FLIR has a 620x480 resolution sensor, highest available to civilian market (beats the hell outta my 160x120 FLIR hands down). That particular FLIR has a base model price around 45k, so you can be sure that they only rented it. With weekly rates (usually the lowest amount of time you can rent an imager for) starting at almost 2k, they could have bought their own FLIR and used it more than one show (although it certainly wouldn't have the performance of that one they used). My thing is this: since it was most certainly a rental, there was a lot of pressure to produce something with it's use. If I remember correctly, this was the first deployment of a FLIR in this franchise, so like anything else, they had to have something to show for it. This brings me to…

The "apparition". Without going into a long description of thermal technology as I have done elsewhere on this board, let me simply restate that the technology works nothing like they were portraying. Thermal imagers use emitted and reflected longwave infrared radiation. There cannot be anything "translucent" as having a nebulous form is not possible with one exception. Volatile organic compounds and certain organic gasses can block the transmission of longwave radiation from objects behind them, making a cloudlike "vapor" appear. It would look nothing like a form at all, more like a fluctuating fog. It certainly would not take the form of a walking man. The halo effect around the heat target is a common artifact in focal plane array IR sensors and nothing paranormal at all.

That person walking in that footage was exactly that….a person (still living). Thermal technology cannot detect objects without sufficient mass to emit or reflect long wave IR radiation, sorry crew. The implication of this is that they either accidentally captured a person on the FLIR and knew it would make for good television, or they purposefully manipulated it to look like the ghost of a civil war soldier was taking a midnight stroll by the tracks. It's entirely possible production crew did it without their knowledge to preserve their reactions. Only problem with that is that I personally have reviewed almost a hundred hours of investigative thermal video and if you are not looking at the right spots, you can miss a lot. I hope I am wrong but they seemed to know exactly where to look and Nick's reaction to something in the darkness was the setup. I fear the implications are as serious as collargate. If you can't make it, fake it…"This is what WE do". Most people would never know the difference. It's one thing to use crappy voice recorders and poor protocols to stretch everything into an evp, but this took some planning. I am very disappointed. Do it honestly and show results, or lack thereof. No shame in that, and at least it is real.

Andy

Very interesting about the thermal, Andy.

Forgot about the new season, maybe I'll give it a whirl.

September 26, 2010
1:01 am PDT
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Some thoughts on the Rolling Hills episode…

Perhaps I view what I do with a certain amount of professionalism, but seriously, these guys do nothing but clown around, especially in front of owners/caretakers/employees. Seems disrespectful to me. I used to love this show, in the beginning, but it is getting way out of hand. Their antics are almost as inflated as their egos. There were some what I consider to be decent evp's, but given the crappy protocols and haphazard way of investigation, I have trouble believing anything that is captured on that show. I caught myself saying silently "yeah, but can we believe it?" over and over again, confirming my own personal bias against this show. I used to view it as a guilty pleasure, but like Rick mentioned the other day, it is getting to the point where I am having trouble committing to watching it. I love the locations, but the over-the-top goofy antics and dialog just kill it for me. I will give it another ep. to redeem itself, but after that, I don't think I can watch it any more if they do not start acting more serious about it. Ghost hunters may put me to sleep, but this show has me cursing the television set lately.

meh

Andy

Edit: and I will refrain on mentioning my suspicion on the apparent manufacture of evidence since the Gettysburg thermal incident until I see another blatant example. Fear not, I'm sure it will rear it's ugly head soon enough





September 26, 2010
4:35 am PDT
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Some thoughts on the Rolling Hills episode…

Edit: and I will refrain on mentioning my suspicion on the apparent manufacture of evidence since the Gettysburg thermal incident until I see another blatant example. Fear not, I'm sure it will rear it's ugly head soon enough

On that note….did people really say ….'don't sweat it' in the 1860's? That struck me as very odd. I'm referring to the evp where someone supposedly was talking about attacking Zac and said "don't sweat it". That strikes me as 1970 versus 1860. Any language scholars out there? Thoughts?

Eh, I got nothin'
September 27, 2010
4:09 pm PDT
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I can only watch this show for it's entertainment value. When they had that big, freaking light show box that looked like some kind of carnival side show attraction, I knew I would only tune in if I needed a fix. I did like when they addressed the problem with the guy who was caught on camera faking it. I have to give them credit for discrediting that. I have recorded the Rolling Hills episode so I'll chime in on that after I watch it.

September 27, 2010
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Zak needs to lay off the weights /laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Laugh' />

And the fake tanner. And the hair products.

He's a nice kid, tho. He cracks me up because he always talks so tough and then he freaks when stuff happens. He makes me look brave by comparison, which I appreciate. :-)

At least Aaron makes no pretense that he's not nervous as heck about stuff happening. The look he gets on his face when he gets scared is hilarious.

Nick is my favorite, tho: when he gets scared it's really something. Watching him fly backwards out of the room in the Linda Vista hospital was my favorite moment on the show. He literally jumped backwards – I've never seen anything like it: he practically levitated. Great stuff!

As for the EVP's, sometimes they seem very clear but other times there is room for disagreement about what they are saying. It would be nice if they'd give us a moment to decide for ourselves what was said before they tell us what they hear.

September 27, 2010
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We're talking to Aaron from GA today for the radio show. He's booked during the live show so we'll broadcast his pre-recorded interview on the live show in a couple of weeks.

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September 27, 2010
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We're talking to Aaron from GA today for the radio show. He's booked during the live show so we'll broadcast his pre-recorded interview on the live show in a couple of weeks.

Aaron is my favorite, his facial expressions are priceless and he is just so freaking likeable!

September 27, 2010
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I have several episodes of different shows to catch up on tonight. I guess I'll start on those after everyone goes to bed. And I'll be last once again.

September 27, 2010
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We're talking to Aaron from GA today for the radio show. He's booked during the live show so we'll broadcast his pre-recorded interview on the live show in a couple of weeks.

WHAT???

you know I love Aaron…that he's my fav and I find out about this HERE

you're so mean /tongue.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Laugh' />

you didnt tell me because you knew i would hound you into letting me sit in on it /laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Laugh' />

September 27, 2010
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I deleted Ghost Adventures off the DVR…it's gotten old for me

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