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You know, this whole "debate" kind of reminds me of a quote we have on our website:
In relation to the topic, it seems there are people (all over the internet) that view this as something supporting their opinion of the show as fake, while others are waiting for the proof. Better yet – it sort of reminds me of the times standing in line at the supermarket and reading the headlines of the National Inquirer!
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It always comes back to that, doesn't it. /wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' /> Fake, not fake.
I would love to study done on the phenomenon of paranormal tv and the relationship to it's viewers.
It fascinates me, the involvement of it all.
I wonder if there's more involvement with viewers in paranormal reality tv, as opposed to other reality shows.
It is a very personal and sometimes passionate topic, the paranormal.
Sometimes reading all the info, on the drama is actually better than the show. /laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
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I had a lot of questions about all of this.
Today I have just one, and wondering what everyone thinks.
Say you were Donna, your on Gh and noticed something on the set, that was not kosher with you.
Do you take the new job, GHI, with the same company pilgrim?
Or do you follow the once burnt, rule.
I'm fairly passionate, about the things I do. I would probably take the new job and think I could make a difference.
well, that would depend. who did she see "faking". was it J&G? in that case
i would take the GHI job and hope that the people on there were more ethical
then to do that. if it was TPTB with Pilgrim, then no i probably wouldnt for
fear that they would expect me to do it on GHI too.
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It would be great to get all sides of the story and present that information.
But Sympathy, I think you're right. People base their beliefs on different things … different criteria. Proof to one person is not proof to the next person.
Topics like this make me think of juries. Some jury members see certain evidence as proof, while others don't see that same evidence as proof.
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Donna speaks over on SciFake.
I read that all yesterday. It was wild.
I find some people more credible than others.
But, my bottom line with faking, is that it would need to be caught on tape, for all to see.
I think it's really that simple, for me.
In a field that streesses paranormal evidence, and looks for it, I think you have to look for evidence period. (faking or paranormal evidence) It can't be out of convience, to suit ones thoughts, imo.
Other than that it's just opinion, which is still okay to express them.
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I read that all yesterday. It was wild.
I find some people more credible than others.
But, my bottom line with faking, is that it would need to be caught on tape, for all to see.
I think it's really that simple, for me.
In a field that streesses paranormal evidence, and looks for it, I think you have to look for evidence period. (faking or paranormal evidence) It can't be out of convience, to suit ones thoughts, imo.
Other than that it's just opinion, which is still okay to express them.
Oh, I think Donna's later feedback is from today, the 15th. I don't think it was up yesterday.
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Oh, I think Donna's later feedback is from today, the 15th. I don't think it was up yesterday.
Thanks, you are right. I thought it was the comments from her and Jason left under the Donna grows…. from yesterday.
Still waiting to see what syfy says, wonder if they still will now after reading what Donna said.
I guess we will find out.
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So Donna just clarified what she orginally said.
I guess reading comprehension hits an all time low.
It's like saying the same thing over again, or when I would talk slower when my children were little.
Maybe I'm turning into an old fart, but once should be enough. Take it or leave it.
It's like having to have an explanaton for an opinion.
People forget, everybody has one.
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I like Donna /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> Anyways, I wonder how many GH fans are crying now.
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I like Donna
/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> Anyways, I wonder how many GH fans are crying now.
I like Donna, also. She was my favorite on the show and wish her well.
A member of a show speaking out, seems like being in tough position, though.
What has really shocked me on other sites, what this has lead to.
Paranormal investigators at each other throats and calling each other names.
Then, they say these shows give the investigator a bad name.
Nope, I think some just give themselves a bad name.
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Hi everyone, newbie to this forum (here from an invite) and I figured since this is a new and relatively hot topic, I would jump right in and post.
I spent some time reading Jason's response to Donna's comments on scifake. First thing is obvious – Jason not admitting to any "faking" of evidence. I knew without any doubt that he would not admit to it. But what I noticed more than anything is how Jason repeated more than once how he "cares" for Donna. Am I the only one who found this rather bizzare, given the fact that Donna said that she has had no contact with him in a long time, and certainly not during her troubles with GHI? Honestly, I don't think that Jason actually "cares" for Donna any more than he does for Brian Harnois.
Donna admitting to witnessing faking, and then elaborating that it sent her into a three day tear-fest, doesn't sound manufactured. And I noticed a few members her speculating on what it was that she witnessed. I seriously doubt it was anything she saw in post production (i.e. editing) and was "in camera" (live). For me, this is simply a progression of events that have ocurred to give more credence that the show is staged. The Manson episode, Gibbons statue, thrown hangar, and the big whammie – "Collargate". I personally don't think that any rational, intelligent person cannot see "Collargate" as anything other than completely phony (and badly executed) – unless if they have an emotional investment in the television show. Which of course would mess with their internal logic and common sense.
In any case, what I think will be most interesting is when people like Brian, Andy, and any other formers come out with their stories. I personally don't give a crud what Scifi's press release is going to contain, because we all know it is going to be 100 percent denial.
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So with the lid being blown off GH now, it makes you wonder if all the other shows are all faked also>? Opinions?
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Hi everyone, newbie to this forum (here from an invite) and I figured since this is a new and relatively hot topic, I would jump right in and post.
I spent some time reading Jason's response to Donna's comments on scifake. First thing is obvious – Jason not admitting to any "faking" of evidence. I knew without any doubt that he would not admit to it. But what I noticed more than anything is how Jason repeated more than once how he "cares" for Donna. Am I the only one who found this rather bizzare, given the fact that Donna said that she has had no contact with him in a long time, and certainly not during her troubles with GHI? Honestly, I don't think that Jason actually "cares" for Donna any more than he does for Brian Harnois.
Donna admitting to witnessing faking, and then elaborating that it sent her into a three day tear-fest, doesn't sound manufactured. And I noticed a few members her speculating on what it was that she witnessed. I seriously doubt it was anything she saw in post production (i.e. editing) and was "in camera" (live). For me, this is simply a progression of events that have ocurred to give more credence that the show is staged. The Manson episode, Gibbons statue, thrown hangar, and the big whammie – "Collargate". I personally don't think that any rational, intelligent person cannot see "Collargate" as anything other than completely phony (and badly executed) – unless if they have an emotional investment in the television show. Which of course would mess with their internal logic and common sense.
In any case, what I think will be most interesting is when people like Brian, Andy, and any other formers come out with their stories. I personally don't give a crud what Scifi's press release is going to contain, because we all know it is going to be 100 percent denial.
Welcome to PUG Bo!
I do need to address one thing in your post. You say: "I personally don't think that any rational, intelligent person cannot see "Collargate" as anything other than completely phony (and badly executed) – unless if they have an emotional investment in the television show. Which of course would mess with their internal logic and common sense."
We allow all viewpoints here on Paranormal Underground, but we don't attack others or call our members names for believing differently than we do.
I know many intelligent, rational people that think there is no reliable evidence of "collargate." And, no, they do not have an investment in the show. There are many opinions on each side of these issues and that is all they are … opinions.
As one of three admins here on PUG, we ask that our members express their opinions without belittling others who might think differently.
Thanks!
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don't attack others or call our members names
Except for Lightwish – that guy is a real Dbag!
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PS> Collargate was a big obvious fake
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So according to Jay, from GH he is going to be asking SYFY to make some kind of official response? We all know that he has at least talked to SYFY to get some kind of damage control in place because we are now prohibited about discussing the matter there. Does anyone think that SYFY will actually make a formal response to Donna? It seems Jay has already made one response, and could quite possibly be making a second one shortly.
My advice to J+G over at GH is to ignore this and just let it alone. The more attention that they pay this issue the more it makes it a bigger problem in the spotlight in the community. I mean just by banning conversation on this at SYFY and also on the TAPS boards, its making quite a big stir.
I wonder if this will help other X-Taps step forwards? I wonder what Brian and Andy would have to say on all this stuff? Sure would be great to get their input here!
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Except for Lightwish – that guy is a real Dbag!
Welcome btw
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PS> Collargate was a big obvious fake
We wouldn't even allow members to call you names or attack you. See how fair we are?
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What I find more interesting than anything else, is that so many people care about this topic. All it really boils down to at this point is, He said – She said. It hasn't proven anything one way or another that I can see, except that TAPS can fuel and argument like no other.
Maybe instead of giving TAPS the publicity, we should focus on proving them wrong. Like I always say; "Don't say they are wrong. Show they are wrong."
Remember what they say about publicity. It really doesn't matter what people are saying as long as they are saying something! The more people talk the better the ratings and that is what keeps them on top. No, they haven't said they are the standard in PI but their being the top show means that people will believe that they are. What else do they have to compare to?
A lot of people believe that Taps brought PI to the forefront but they haven't. Only the paranormal community is aware of what we do. I still run into people every day that have no idea that there is an actual paranormal community aside from the TV shows. People always ask me; You really do this? Are you like the guys on TV? My obvious response is, "Good Lord NO!" Then have to explain and am surprised that many people know nothing aside from the TV shows. So in my opinion, yes, I think Taps presents themselves as the standard by their actions and words if not directly saying so.
I think the bottom line is, no matter how we feel about TAPS or how fake they may or may not be, they will always be popular as long as they are on peoples lips. So some faking is probably nothing more than an attempt at attention grabbing to boost ratings and it works. When people stop talking is when they will fade away.
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Welcome to PUG Bo!
I do need to address one thing in your post. You say: "I personally don't think that any rational, intelligent person cannot see "Collargate" as anything other than completely phony (and badly executed) – unless if they have an emotional investment in the television show. Which of course would mess with their internal logic and common sense."
We allow all viewpoints here on Paranormal Underground, but we don't attack others or call our members names for believing differently than we do.
I know many intelligent, rational people that think there is no reliable evidence of "collargate." And, no, they do not have an investment in the show. There are many opinions on each side of these issues and that is all they are … opinions.
As one of three admins here on PUG, we ask that our members express their opinions without belittling others who might think differently.
Thanks!
I'm sorry, it was a non-specific generalization, not meant to attack anyone in this thread. Still, I certainly don't take my viewpoint on that back one bit.
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Back in the late 90s a friend of mine asked me if I liked the Rocky Picture Horror Show, I told him no that I really like musicals. He tried explaining how everyone dresses up like characters in the movie and they all have a blast watching the movie in the theatre. I thought this was a little bit extreme but I still declined the offer.
Later when I moved back to Waco, I saw a section in the TV section about Cult Classics being shown. I read the section every week and realized that there were a lot of shows and movies listed that I really liked. It seems a lot of people really liked that show or movie. They would get a following of fans and supporters who would do anything for the movie or show. Some went out of their way to show their displeasure when a re-make was coming out.
This fans were being considered a cult regardless of a religion coming out of it with the exception of Star Trek and Star Wars. This happens whenever a popular show or movie became a hit with a certain percentage of the population. This is what is happening right now with Ghost Hunters. They started the paranormal TV fad here in America and it has taken off with several other spin-offs and others competing in the paranormal market.
This is a little different with Donna coming out than other shows. For the most part it is like the fans were just told that Santa doesn't exist. Or if George Lucas came out and said that Star Wars is stupid and he got the idea from taking LSD. Just the thought of all this is causing people to doubt things. Is this a bad thing? It's too early to tell. We don't know how it will affect Ghost Hunters or even the other shows.
Most people here are investigators by nature but we are trying to just sit back and watch what happens without poking around too much. So let's see how this evolves in the next six weeks.
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I like what Donna says at the end of her interview.
She basically calls the "believers" in GH a cult. She says "Dont even bother threatening me"…. they are just like a cult that follow GH that are that mad…they would threaten Donna for coming out like this. She draws similarities between kool-aid drinking cults and the following of die hards that believe in GH. That may be a touch extreme imo, but I understand where she is coming from to be honest.
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