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        	<title>Nightwatcher on Investigating your own home</title>
        	<link>http://www.paranormalunderground.net/forum/paranormal-investigations/investigating-your-own-home/page-3/#p104749</link>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>I am searching the internet to find out what forces could move objects like my boot being thrown and a shaking sewing machine. I have found some interesting reading and will share the links here. I am concentrating my efforts to what unexplained forces are responsible for moving objects that do not contain iron, nickel, cobalt or materials that a magnetic field  could act on and cause movement. There are many terms associated with magnets and a magnetic field. Some are ferromagnetism, paramagnetism, diamagnetism and other terms.</p>
<p>I found this link about a tennis shoe that is very similar to my boot being thrown incident.<br />
<a href="http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread94240/pg1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.abovetopsecret.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.abovetopsecret.com/</a>.....d94240/pg1</a><br />
"Last night while sleeping, I was awoken by a "crash" in my Living Room..........When I woke up I found that my (1) tennis shoe was 30 feet from where I always keep them, in a different room!"</p>
<p>Some good paranormal reading can be found here:   <a href="http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/27/pg1/srtpages" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.abovetopsecret.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.abovetopsecret.com/</a>.....1/srtpages</a></p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2013 09:40:25 -0800</pubDate>
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        	<title>Nightwatcher on Investigating your own home</title>
        	<link>http://www.paranormalunderground.net/forum/paranormal-investigations/investigating-your-own-home/page-3/#p104747</link>
        	<category>Paranormal Investigations</category>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><strong>MysticalKnight said </strong><br />
Hi Nightwatcher! (I wanted to let you know, that you can quote someone's post by clicking on the "quote" button on the upper righthand side of any post. Just a helpful hint in case you want to make use of that feature.)</p>
<p>You have some great questions. I was treating the old sewing machine as an end table with my alarm clock sitting on it. The machine was not plugged in, just the alarm clock. Chad later took some EFM readings and there was a crazy amount of EMF around the alarm clock. I am not sure. Can high EMF make things vibrate? It was almost like an energy building up and then bursting out and rattling the blinds in a sweeping motion.</p>
<p>The sewing machine was not touching the blinds. It was at least a good foot away, possibly farther, from the blinds.</p>
<p>That sewing machine is now in storage so haven't seen that happen after those times I mentioned above. I did buy the sewing machine at an estate sale next door to where I had lived at the time, after my neighbor had passed away.</p>
<p>I have no idea what caused it. There could be an explanation for it, but it did seem paranormal, at least in the sense that "nothing" visible or even explainable seemed to be causing the activity.</p>
<p>And, wow, the boot on the other side of the room? The only question I have on that one ... did you have pets???</p>
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<p>Hello MysticalKnight, I was aware of the quote feature and I have used it in the past here on PUG. I do post comments on other web sites also and I have some old habits of quoting people. I will use the PUG quoting feature and will "cut" some information from the original quote to focus more in on what it is that I am replying to. I know that running a web site costs money and I certainly am no expert about web sites. I didn't want to use up too much "bandwidth" of the PUG web site.</p>
<p>I have had cats off and on throughout my life. I did have a cat at the time of the boot incident. If I had a dog, then I could have dismissed the paranormal idea that my boot was thrown. A dog could have drug my boot across the floor and the loud boom could have been due to the house. Houses make noise throughout the season. Materials expand and shrink during the seasons. Think earthquakes. The Earth's crust is always in motion and makes no noise or tremors. Then all of a sudden, the forces free themselves and one feels and hears the tremors and quakes. Does that make sense? I try to keep my comments brief and the readers can use the internet to find out more information.</p>
<p>I have no explanation for the boot incident. The boot was heavy and my cat at the time would not have the strength to pull it a few inches let alone several feet. I don't have an explanation about the sewing machine at this time.</p>
<p>I am kind of new to the paranormal investigation groups,  devices and their methods. EMF to me means "electromagnetic fields" and there are also "electromagnetic forces" that could explain some paranormal events. You young people are so lucky to have the internet at your finger tips. I will do a lot of reading about electromagnetic fields and electromagnetic forces and share what I find out here on PUG.</p>
<p>Are those EMF detectors expensive? Could a cheaper model be bought so that I can investigate my own home? I do know that there are entities in my home who are friendly but with some rare exceptions. I recently bought some new micro-cassettes for my analog voice activated micro-cassette recorder. I will turn it on when I leave the house and will move it to the living room when I go to sleep to see what I can capture. It does have a time lag so it will not capture a sharp noise or single word. I read that the digital voice recorders also have a time lag. As time permits, I will also be taking random photos of everything in my house both day and night with a digital camera. Since film is not used in a digital camera, I will be able to take a couple hundred photos each week to see if the camera captured some questionable things. I will dismiss all orbs as dust in the air. If something shows up, I will share here on PUG. I welcome all suggestions about paranormal investigative devices (cheap) and methods. I do have an infrared thermometer (with laser pointer) that I used during my working years checking the temperatures of steam and condensate pipes and machine bearings. Currently I use it for my home heating experiments , radiant barriers and home cooking. Would this infrared thermometer be useful as a paranormal investigation device? It isn't a camera but shows temps in numbers.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 13:13:42 -0800</pubDate>
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        	<title>MysticalKnight on Investigating your own home</title>
        	<link>http://www.paranormalunderground.net/forum/paranormal-investigations/investigating-your-own-home/page-3/#p104744</link>
        	<category>Paranormal Investigations</category>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><strong>Nightwatcher said </strong></p>
<p>"Something that happened in our bedroom was this … laying in bed, as I was falling asleep, the sewing machine, which is an oldstyle machine that collapses down under the tabletop started shaking violently. I sit up and look at it, and it continued to shake very hard for at least a minute, with the contents on top (alarm clock, pictures, crystal candle holders, etc.) shake as well........OK, so fast-forward to Chad in the bedroom alone. He had the same exact occurrence, except the blinds didn't move. Then some time after that, Chad and I were talking in our bedroom, lying on the bed. Same thing happened again, except for the blinds moving." (posted by MysticalKnight).</p>
<p>Was the sewing machine electric and was the cord plugged into the socket? If electric, could the sewing machine turned itself on and the movement caused the sewing cabinet to shake or vibrate? Was the sewing cabinet touching the blinds or if the sewing machine electric motor's fan (cooling the motor) cause air movement to the blinds? Not saying that your sewing machine shaking violently was not a paranormal event but trying to find a science explanation. Do you still have that sewing machine and has it shook since you posted this?</p>
<p>I came home one night and put my boots next to my closet in my bedroom. Later while sleeping or trying to sleep, I heard a big BOOM like something fell in my bedroom. I got up and turned on the lights to see what fell. One of my boots was missing and I found it against the opposite wall. It appears that something threw that boot across the room and into that wall. That was the cause of the big boom. I could find no science to explain that boot being on the opposite side of the room. It wasn't powered by electricity or compressed air.</p>
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<p>Hi Nightwatcher! (I wanted to let you know, that you can quote someone's post by clicking on the "quote" button on the upper righthand side of any post. Just a helpful hint in case you want to make use of that feature.)</p>
<p>You have some great questions. I was treating the old sewing machine as an end table with my alarm clock sitting on it. The machine was not plugged in, just the alarm clock. Chad later took some EFM readings and there was a crazy amount of EMF around the alarm clock. I am not sure. Can high EMF make things vibrate? It was almost like an energy building up and then bursting out and rattling the blinds in a sweeping motion.</p>
<p>The sewing machine was not touching the blinds. It was at least a good foot away, possibly farther, from the blinds.</p>
<p>That sewing machine is now in storage so haven't seen that happen after those times I mentioned above. I did buy the sewing machine at an estate sale next door to where I had lived at the time, after my neighbor had passed away.</p>
<p>I have no idea what caused it. There could be an explanation for it, but it did seem paranormal, at least in the sense that "nothing" visible or even explainable seemed to be causing the activity.</p>
<p>And, wow, the boot on the other side of the room? The only question I have on that one ... did you have pets???</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 10:44:17 -0800</pubDate>
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        	<title>Nightwatcher on Investigating your own home</title>
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        	<category>Paranormal Investigations</category>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>"Something that happened in our bedroom was this … laying in bed, as I was falling asleep, the sewing machine, which is an oldstyle machine that collapses down under the tabletop started shaking violently. I sit up and look at it, and it continued to shake very hard for at least a minute, with the contents on top (alarm clock, pictures, crystal candle holders, etc.) shake as well........OK, so fast-forward to Chad in the bedroom alone. He had the same exact occurrence, except the blinds didn't move. Then some time after that, Chad and I were talking in our bedroom, lying on the bed. Same thing happened again, except for the blinds moving." (posted by MysticalKnight).</p>
<p>Was the sewing machine electric and was the cord plugged into the socket? If electric, could the sewing machine turned itself on and the movement caused the sewing cabinet to shake or vibrate? Was the sewing cabinet touching the blinds or if the sewing machine electric motor's fan (cooling the motor) cause air movement to the blinds? Not saying that your sewing machine shaking violently was not a paranormal event but trying to find a science explanation. Do you still have that sewing machine and has it shook since you posted this?</p>
<p>I came home one night and put my boots next to my closet in my bedroom. Later while sleeping or trying to sleep, I heard a big BOOM like something fell in my bedroom. I got up and turned on the lights to see what fell. One of my boots was missing and I found it against the opposite wall. It appears that something threw that boot across the room and into that wall. That was the cause of the big boom. I could find no science to explain that boot being on the opposite side of the room. It wasn't powered by electricity or compressed air.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 10:32:00 -0800</pubDate>
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        	<title>Nightwatcher on Investigating your own home</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>"When we were awakened be the banging on our bedroom door we just couldn't find any reasonable explanation.........it sounded as though an adult was using their fist to bang on the door" (posted by Spiritedgirl).</p>
<p>I had the same kind of experience. My garage is attached to my house and the door leading to the garage is made of steel with probably a wood core. At that time, my computer was located in the kitchen-dining area and a couple of feet or so from that steel door. One evening as I was using the computer, somebody or something banged on that door, as if a man was using his fist to bang on that door. It wasn't a rap like using one's knuckles as normally is done when knocking on a door but like BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM like a man using his fist. It scared the heck out of me. I thought that an intruder was in my garage. It was already dark outside.</p>
<p>My son lived with me at that time and I asked him if he left the garage door open. He said that he closed it. Long story short, I got out my gun and told my son to go outside and count to 10 or something like at and I was going to turn on the light switch on for the lights in my garage. The garage door had windows in it, so if any intruder was there, my son would see some movement. I opened the garage door by remote from a safe distance but nobody was there. I checked under the car and crawl space and found nothing. The was no science that could explain the banging on the door.</p>
<p>The next day, I read the death notice of a lady that I used to date.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 10:04:30 -0800</pubDate>
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        	<title>MysticalKnight on Investigating your own home</title>
        	<link>http://www.paranormalunderground.net/forum/paranormal-investigations/investigating-your-own-home/page-3/#p42438</link>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Mom, you are making me think of my lights in my house. When I think on or off (and dont move for a while, me being lazy) they do what I want them too. As for investigating your own house. Why not? Some people think dont do it because it might stir things up, but you can do a closing ritual so everything will leave. I say no big deal.</p>
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	Sorry Chrystal&#33; But it&#39;s possible don&#39;t you think so? Maybe for just a few anyway.</p>
<p>	Maybe our minds give things power ... energy. Who knows&#33; lol</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 01:50:15 -0800</pubDate>
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        	<title>Spiritedgirl on Investigating your own home</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Yeah, just make sure you close everything down at the end <img class="sfimageleft" />/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':huh:' /></p>
<p>	Yeah apparently. Stuff like that happens sometimes but it has happened in two different rooms in this new house and only when Im thinking about it, but dont want to get up to do it for a while. Ill remember later and it will be on or off.</p>
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	I wish I could do that with dishes&#33;  <img class="sfimageleft" />/laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' /></p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 01:17:35 -0800</pubDate>
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        	<title>caligirl2_24 on Investigating your own home</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I don&#39;t think it&#39;s a big deal either, but my husband is a little more concerned. I&#39;m working on him though.  <img class="sfimageleft" />/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' /> </p>
<p>	You can get your lights to go on or off just by thinking about it?  <img class="sfimageleft" />/huh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' /></p>
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	Yeah, just make sure you close everything down at the end <img class="sfimageleft" />/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':huh:' /></p>
<p>	Yeah apparently. Stuff like that happens sometimes but it has happened in two different rooms in this new house and only when Im thinking about it, but dont want to get up to do it for a while. Ill remember later and it will be on or off.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 01:09:00 -0800</pubDate>
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        	<title>HeidiAnn67 on Investigating your own home</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You can get your lights to go on or off just by thinking about it?  <img class="sfimageleft" />/huh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':huh:' /></p>
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	I wish I could turn things on and off with my mind <img class="sfimageleft" />/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' /></p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 01:08:36 -0800</pubDate>
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        	<title>Spiritedgirl on Investigating your own home</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Mom, you are making me think of my lights in my house. When I think on or off (and dont move for a while, me being lazy) they do what I want them too. As for investigating your own house. Why not? Some people think dont do it because it might stir things up, but you can do a closing ritual so everything will leave. I say no big deal.</p>
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	I don&#39;t think it&#39;s a big deal either, but my husband is a little more concerned. I&#39;m working on him though.  <img class="sfimageleft" />/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' /> </p>
<p>	You can get your lights to go on or off just by thinking about it?  <img class="sfimageleft" />/huh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':huh:' /></p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 01:06:32 -0800</pubDate>
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        	<title>caligirl2_24 on Investigating your own home</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I do believe that in many cases, we can make things happen just by believing in them.</p>
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	Mom, you are making me think of my lights in my house. When I think on or off (and dont move for a while, me being lazy) they do what I want them too. As for investigating your own house. Why not? Some people think dont do it because it might stir things up, but you can do a closing ritual so everything will leave. I say no big deal.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:48:27 -0800</pubDate>
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        	<title>Spiritedgirl on Investigating your own home</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I do believe that in many cases, we can make things happen just by believing in them.</p>
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	I agree. I&#39;m sure there are many cases where people believe something paranormal is happening and therefore everything odd that happens now becomes paranormal.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:39:19 -0800</pubDate>
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        	<title>MysticalKnight on Investigating your own home</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I understand that not everyone that participates on this forum is a ghost hunter / paranormal investigator / paranormal enthusiast (pick your title) but if something strange was happening at my house I would be the first to check it out.  There is no one alive that knows my home, it&#39;s structure and history as well as I do.  Ok, honestly my wife might know some of the history of the people that have lived here a little better than I do.  I know what kinds of noises it makes, how the seasons and weather affect it and the feelings I get from being in it.  I also know enough to seek out a specialist if I find a problem with something I am not knowledgeable enough to tend to.  I would say that if you are capable of doing an investigation then go ahead and do it, but most likely if you are capable, you probably already know, or very strongly suspect, whether you have an unwanted guest or not.  </p>
<p>	Some have expressed fears that doing an investigation might &#34;open doors&#34;.  Of course no one is an expert in this field and these are only my experience, and opinions, but I feel that if a spirit, ghost or demon is going to invade your home it will do so whether you go looking for them or not.  I believe that there are events that can happen in a home that may awaken a resting spirit or draw in a demon but I don&#39;t think an investigation would be the trigger.  I have used my home to teach my son and others how to conduct an investigation, how to use various pieces of equipment, to test equipment and to establish baselines for a few experiments.  And so far no ghosts, although we have had some unexpected results that took a few weeks and a few repeated attempts to discover what was really happening.</p>
<p>	Considering all that, I feel that I need to add a sort of disclaimer here - if you really believe that something bad will happen if you do an investigation, then just don&#39;t do it.  <strong>It could be that it is your belief that you will call in a ghost or demon that could be the trigger needed to actually invite one in.</strong></p>
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	I do believe that in many cases, we can make things happen just by believing in them.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 23:33:39 -0800</pubDate>
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        	<title>GhostlyDesigns on Investigating your own home</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>I understand that not everyone that participates on this forum is a ghost hunter / paranormal investigator / paranormal enthusiast (pick your title) but if something strange was happening at my house I would be the first to check it out.  There is no one alive that knows my home, it&#39;s structure and history as well as I do.  Ok, honestly my wife might know some of the history of the people that have lived here a little better than I do.  I know what kinds of noises it makes, how the seasons and weather affect it and the feelings I get from being in it.  I also know enough to seek out a specialist if I find a problem with something I am not knowledgeable enough to tend to.  I would say that if you are capable of doing an investigation then go ahead and do it, but most likely if you are capable, you probably already know, or very strongly suspect, whether you have an unwanted guest or not.  </p>
<p>	Some have expressed fears that doing an investigation might &#34;open doors&#34;.  Of course no one is an expert in this field and these are only my experience, and opinions, but I feel that if a spirit, ghost or demon is going to invade your home it will do so whether you go looking for them or not.  I believe that there are events that can happen in a home that may awaken a resting spirit or draw in a demon but I don&#39;t think an investigation would be the trigger.  I have used my home to teach my son and others how to conduct an investigation, how to use various pieces of equipment, to test equipment and to establish baselines for a few experiments.  And so far no ghosts, although we have had some unexpected results that took a few weeks and a few repeated attempts to discover what was really happening.</p>
<p>	Considering all that, I feel that I need to add a sort of disclaimer here - if you really believe that something bad will happen if you do an investigation, then just don&#39;t do it.  It could be that it is your belief that you will call in a ghost or demon that could be the trigger needed to actually invite one in.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 06:43:20 -0800</pubDate>
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        	<category>Paranormal Investigations</category>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Thanks for the link, GB. I look forward to reading it.</p>
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	<span style="font-size: 13px;">It&#39;s the third story on the page...</span></p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:59:28 -0800</pubDate>
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