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So far so good.

However that is the same thing the man who jumped of the Empire State building said as he passed each floor... /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

One thing I am gleaning from all this is that I increasingly believe that EVP is exactly what it implies. Electronic Phenomena and not spirit voices.

I believe most of what is caught or believed to be a spirit voice is nothing more than the right sounds in the right order at the right time which appear as a voice or word(s).

Can't prove it one way or the other just yet but that's why we keep plugging along.

The second thing is how listeners perceive the recordings. In far too many cases they are not Class A or B quality recordings. They are not easily heard and often are manipulated in various ways, even including reversing all or parts of the recordings. In these cases, it might be more reasonable to suggest that individual perception is at work. And this would explain why different people hear different things as well as why even the same individual hears different things on the same recording at different times.

Isolation experiments, such as recording in Faraday cages or removing working components might be quite useful. It is also useful to perform spectrum analysis on these recordings to see if there are any hints as to the true source of what is heard. Spectrum analysis is only useful if the recordings are quite clean, with low noise and high signal levels. In other words, are Class A or B recordings.

While it there is no model that will enable science to determine the true source of these sounds, some intriguing controlled studies have thus far shown that it is possible for living people to produce these recordings using what appears to be personal PK. When you include the idea that some of this may be motivated by information from external sources, you have a reasonably good explanation for what is going on here, including how some people seem to get communications that are later found to be correct. It would also explain why conversational EVP sessions are possible - because EVP operators are in fact unknowingly talking to themselves.

This may not be a popular idea, but it is one that fits the data. And for the moment, that may be the best notion available.

Then there is PK as referenced above. I don't even know where to begin with correlating that, just too much for my feeble mind, lol..

regards

Andy

I was thinking about this last night when my allergies woke up and I couldn't go back to sleep until the Benedryl kicked in...

Has anyone tried this no microphone recording a step further by deliberately trying to use PK to imprint their voice on tape?

PK is a lot more talent than I possesses. lol I haven't written an article for the mag on this. Still a lot of work to do and no real data that can be shared, only questions in the forum for feedback. Everything else is just my opinion at this point. Maybe I could write something up on what I am trying to do and what I personally think. Then maybe some of the smarter people might be able to figure out where I am going wrong. However, it will have to wait until July because I am going to Disney world tomorrow for a couple weeks. LOL I will give it some serious thought and if you think it’s ok I will run it by you.

Anyway, I also tried using an EMF detector with a recorder to see if an EVP any electromagnetic properties. Thinking if it did, then an EMF detector would be a useful gadget in that it could detect EVP's but I got the same results. Sometimes but not all would I get a reading and an EVP at the same time, so no repetition and still only a theory.

Since my brain works faster than I can apply what I am thinking, (if it works at all) I think I may be getting ahead of myself. I need to practice what I preach and go back to the beginning and go slow. I personally think this is the right track but like that say; Even if you are on the right track, you will get run over if you just sit there. I think I am missing something small but very significant.

Has anyone tried this no microphone recording a step further by deliberately trying to use PK to imprint their voice on tape?

Several people have reported to me these same phenomena. I too have experienced it but not enough to draw any conclusions. However, since I am getting sound with the recorder and only an inaudible fluctuation with the disabled one, I may need to look at this from another angle.

It may be a matter of the phenomenon of sound below 19 decibels rather than imprinting. Lots more work to do...

You should write an article about this for the magazine. Or have you already???

I have tried this experiment three times over the past several months during investigations. On one occasion I did catch what is considered a Class B EVP on the recorder with the microphone working. The recorder that has the microphone disabled did not record any audio at all. But there was an interesting blip in the soundwave that is visible and audible right at the same time as the EVP is heard on the recorder with the microphone. The blip is a drop in frequency. For the entire 45 minute session the recorder without microphone had a pretty steady and straight line of static except for this one point where it drops and matches up to the second with the EVP on the other recorder. It could be purely coincidence, or something unknown, but it was interesting.

I'm doing more of these experiments in upcoming investigations. Will report more later.

Tom Stewart

http://www.RISEUPparanormal.com

Several people have reported to me these same phenomena. I too have experienced it but not enough to draw any conclusions. However, since I am getting sound with the recorder and only an inaudible fluctuation with the disabled one, I may need to look at this from another angle.

It may be a matter of the phenomenon of sound below 19 decibels rather than imprinting. Lots more work to do...

I have posted this other places but this looks like the appropriate place.

I have adopted a theory of my own regarding EVP's. I still believe it is possible that EVP's may be spirits but that they are not physical sound but electronic impulses picked up directly by the recorder or tape, not by the microphone and then transformed into sound.

Simply put, microphones pick up changes in air pressure. The sound waves are picked up by a microphone which converts them into electronic impulses. These impulses are amplified in the recorder. Then pass through the heads which give out a magnetic impulse and then recorded on the passing tape. Now, roughly speaking, a microphone is designed to pick up physical changes in air pressure and the sound waves are in a range closely comparable to the human ear.

This being the case, any EVP picked up by a microphone should be heard by everyone present when it was recorded. However, they almost never are and if they are picked up by the human ear then they are most likely physical sound and probably not a spirit. Remember EVP is electronic voice phenomena not spirit voices.

I believe, that EVP's are the impulses made by the energy produced by an entity and not physical sounds emanating from the entity. So, maybe, in certain conditions it could be directly picked up by a recorder. Maybe the EVP's we are catching are bypassing the microphone and maybe microphones are even interfering with capturing EVP's because they pick up outside physical sounds and we are missing more than capturing.

Now, I am also experimenting using a tape (not digital yet) recorder with a disconnected microphone in conjunction with my regular & digital recording devices to see if there is a difference, if one picks up more than the other or if the mic'less one should pick up something the regular one doesn't. (this is for those of you who are doing or want to do research. Researchers know that you must use all methods available) So for me at least so far, this is the next step in recording for EVP's and so far so good.

(Yes I guess this could be compared loosly to the Bell Jar experiment. Which I have plans of implementing in an underwater enviroment. That's another experiment...)

Back on topic... You can easily disable a recorders microphone if you have an old one. However, you should always use two recorders. One next to the other when trying this method. One with a mic and one without. This way you cover all bases.

The results at minimum will be that you may have some white noise from the recorder itself but you won't get any physical sounds that might be confused as an EVP or spirit voice.

At best, when (and I mean when) you get a voice on your mic'less recorder then you will know you have something. That, paired with the recording from the one with the mic showing no physical sounds, becomes evidence of something not of the physical realm.

Now I know what you are going to say. "What if we get the same exact voice on both at the exact same time?" This is very unlikely because of the science of sound. However, should you get this. Then I would say you may be holding the golden chalice of EVP's because this might show proof of a non physical being crossing over into the physical world. And isn't that one of the things we are looking for?

FOOTNOTE: Don't disable your recorder unless you can afford to do so. I don't want people going around breaking their recorders for this one experiment. This is for those that can afford to and are prepered to do serious research.

I have tried this experiment three times over the past several months during investigations. On one occasion I did catch what is considered a Class B EVP on the recorder with the microphone working. The recorder that has the microphone disabled did not record any audio at all. But there was an interesting blip in the soundwave that is visible and audible right at the same time as the EVP is heard on the recorder with the microphone. The blip is a drop in frequency. For the entire 45 minute session the recorder without microphone had a pretty steady and straight line of static except for this one point where it drops and matches up to the second with the EVP on the other recorder. It could be purely coincidence, or something unknown, but it was interesting.

I'm doing more of these experiments in upcoming investigations. Will report more later.

Tom Stewart

http://www.RISEUPparanormal.com

Assuming you are using a dynamic microphone, wouldn't a more accurate control experiment be to take a similar microphone and remove the diaphragm from it rather than to eliminate the microphone all together? That is unless you are using a capacitive microphone or a very expensive microphone. This way you still have the circuitry (an inductor) of a microphone but it would not be able to generate electrical signals from sound pressure waves.

This would not eliminate a false EVP from being generated by frequency cross modulation as I suspect is happening when experimenters substitute a germanium diode for a microphone.

You may be correct in your thinking for obtaining an EVP but I am an old school type person. My doctrine is the simpler the better and I am not trying to capture an EVP. I am trying to see if there are actually voices to be recorded. Besides the fact that simpler is more controlled. I can always move on from there if need be.

There is a theory that spirit voices can be imprinted directly to tape and an EVP and a spirit voice are not the same. The term EVP was coined to describe what people thought were spirit voices a long time ago but EVP's are nothing more than what the term implies; a phenomenon that makes random noise sound like words.

In my experiments I do not want any type of microphone because I don't want to capture anything I could hear with my own ears and want to see if I can get something imprinted directly to the tape. Basically, I do not want an electronic phenomenon that sounds like a voice. I want a voice if there are any.

I am just trying to get past the old ways of thinking. Besides this is for me. If it works horray for me. If not, no big deal but so far so good.

This would not eliminate a false EVP from being generated by frequency cross modulation as I suspect is happening when experimenters substitute a germanium diode for a microphone.

Your right, the only reason I use the term is because it's generally accepted to represent the same concept. Maybe we should call it Rorschaching.

I didn't intend for it to sound like I was finding fault or commenting wholley on your experiment, just that the question of a digital medium came up and I thought I would shed a little more light on the process.

My apologies if I offended.

Didn't offend me and sorry if it seemed like I was finger pointing. I apologize if I implied it was for anyone specifically.

I am just one of those people who would like to see people get away from the popular terms and start using terms that fit. I understand that a lot of people like to think it is semantics. I just think the correct terms leave little to interpretation and give a clearer picture and will benefit all in time. Maybe I am just too old and picky. LOL.

A lot of the problem comes from the TV shows and old outdated methods and ideas. However, I must admit that I too am guilty of using some incorrect terms from time to time because of their popularity but I am trying to get on the right track.

I also don't get why so many people like to use the word matrixing. Maybe because they heard it on TV thinking it is a correct term? Actually the correct term is pareidolia. There is no word matrixing. The word is Matrix and the word matrixing was made up and used because of one of the deinitions of Matrix thinking it was a correct term and it just caught on.

Your right, the only reason I use the term is because it's generally accepted to represent the same concept. Maybe we should call it Rorschaching.

I didn't intend for it to sound like I was finding fault or commenting wholley on your experiment, just that the question of a digital medium came up and I thought I would shed a little more light on the process.

My apologies if I offended.

Just a quick point.

Digital recorders don't have "heads". So unless the energy is being transferred directly to the circuits attached to the inputs of the a to d converter, there won't be any signal. Theres also a problem with theorizing an energy wave form being transfered to both poles of the input at the same time and not phase cancelling the signal in its entirety. Unless the spirit is speaking in binary and whatever compression codec the manufacturer is using. j/k obviously.

Thats it, beside that fact, if the machines used are analog, I can't see any problems with the parameters of the experiment.

If in fact you get an evp on a digital machine with the microphone disabled. It has to be matrixing.

jmho

My experiments aren't with digital recorders anyway. Digitals are notorious for picking up outside interference and why you can get an EVP without a mic on a digital. They also aren't much use to me but you have to cover all bases in experimentation. I am also not talking about the scratchy noises people call EVP thinking they are spirit voices. EVP is not spirit voices.

I am talking about clear obvious voices. Like Raudive and Estep had recorded years ago. Loyd Auerbach stated he believes it is a psychic impression. I believe it's a little different like I said and you can disable a recorder just by using a blank jack in the mic hole.

I also don't get why so many people like to use the word matrixing. Maybe because they heard it on TV thinking it is a correct term? Actually the correct term is pareidolia. There is no word matrixing. The word is Matrix and the word matrixing was made up and used because of one of the deinitions of Matrix thinking it was a correct term and it just caught on.