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OfflineI have posted this other places but this looks like the appropriate place.
I have adopted a theory of my own regarding EVP's. I still believe it is possible that EVP's may be spirits but that they are not physical sound but electronic impulses picked up directly by the recorder or tape, not by the microphone and then transformed into sound.
Simply put, microphones pick up changes in air pressure. The sound waves are picked up by a microphone which converts them into electronic impulses. These impulses are amplified in the recorder. Then pass through the heads which give out a magnetic impulse and then recorded on the passing tape. Now, roughly speaking, a microphone is designed to pick up physical changes in air pressure and the sound waves are in a range closely comparable to the human ear.
This being the case, any EVP picked up by a microphone should be heard by everyone present when it was recorded. However, they almost never are and if they are picked up by the human ear then they are most likely physical sound and probably not a spirit. Remember EVP is electronic voice phenomena not spirit voices.
I believe, that EVP's are the impulses made by the energy produced by an entity and not physical sounds emanating from the entity. So, maybe, in certain conditions it could be directly picked up by a recorder. Maybe the EVP's we are catching are bypassing the microphone and maybe microphones are even interfering with capturing EVP's because they pick up outside physical sounds and we are missing more than capturing.
Now, I am also experimenting using a tape (not digital yet) recorder with a disconnected microphone in conjunction with my regular & digital recording devices to see if there is a difference, if one picks up more than the other or if the mic'less one should pick up something the regular one doesn't. (this is for those of you who are doing or want to do research. Researchers know that you must use all methods available) So for me at least so far, this is the next step in recording for EVP's and so far so good.
(Yes I guess this could be compared loosly to the Bell Jar experiment. Which I have plans of implementing in an underwater enviroment. That's another experiment…)
Back on topic… You can easily disable a recorders microphone if you have an old one. However, you should always use two recorders. One next to the other when trying this method. One with a mic and one without. This way you cover all bases.
The results at minimum will be that you may have some white noise from the recorder itself but you won't get any physical sounds that might be confused as an EVP or spirit voice.
At best, when (and I mean when) you get a voice on your mic'less recorder then you will know you have something. That, paired with the recording from the one with the mic showing no physical sounds, becomes evidence of something not of the physical realm.
Now I know what you are going to say. "What if we get the same exact voice on both at the exact same time?" This is very unlikely because of the science of sound. However, should you get this. Then I would say you may be holding the golden chalice of EVP's because this might show proof of a non physical being crossing over into the physical world. And isn't that one of the things we are looking for?
FOOTNOTE: Don't disable your recorder unless you can afford to do so. I don't want people going around breaking their recorders for this one experiment. This is for those that can afford to and are prepered to do serious research.
Or… Rather than break the mic try this. Use a blank jack in the mic port to disable the recorder.
OfflineAnother thing you need to do is use the same brand recorder. I had a friend that suggested doing this some time a while back. I haven't had a chance to do it but to make it more credible it needs to be the same brand recorder.
I have two cheap RCA digital recorders that I was going to do this experiment with. I was going to plug in a battery operated mic that is turned off and batteries removed into one and on the other just as is. Sit them side by side and do an EVP session or just let them record with nothing being done.
OfflineI have posted this other places but this looks like the appropriate place.
I have adopted a theory of my own regarding EVP's. I still believe it is possible that EVP's may be spirits but that they are not physical sound but electronic impulses picked up directly by the recorder or tape, not by the microphone and then transformed into sound.
Simply put, microphones pick up changes in air pressure. The sound waves are picked up by a microphone which converts them into electronic impulses. These impulses are amplified in the recorder. Then pass through the heads which give out a magnetic impulse and then recorded on the passing tape. Now, roughly speaking, a microphone is designed to pick up physical changes in air pressure and the sound waves are in a range closely comparable to the human ear.
This being the case, any EVP picked up by a microphone should be heard by everyone present when it was recorded. However, they almost never are and if they are picked up by the human ear then they are most likely physical sound and probably not a spirit. Remember EVP is electronic voice phenomena not spirit voices.
I believe, that EVP's are the impulses made by the energy produced by an entity and not physical sounds emanating from the entity. So, maybe, in certain conditions it could be directly picked up by a recorder. Maybe the EVP's we are catching are bypassing the microphone and maybe microphones are even interfering with capturing EVP's because they pick up outside physical sounds and we are missing more than capturing.
Now, I am also experimenting using a tape (not digital yet) recorder with a disconnected microphone in conjunction with my regular & digital recording devices to see if there is a difference, if one picks up more than the other or if the mic'less one should pick up something the regular one doesn't. (this is for those of you who are doing or want to do research. Researchers know that you must use all methods available) So for me at least so far, this is the next step in recording for EVP's and so far so good.
(Yes I guess this could be compared loosly to the Bell Jar experiment. Which I have plans of implementing in an underwater enviroment. That's another experiment…)
Back on topic… You can easily disable a recorders microphone if you have an old one. However, you should always use two recorders. One next to the other when trying this method. One with a mic and one without. This way you cover all bases.
The results at minimum will be that you may have some white noise from the recorder itself but you won't get any physical sounds that might be confused as an EVP or spirit voice.
At best, when (and I mean when) you get a voice on your mic'less recorder then you will know you have something. That, paired with the recording from the one with the mic showing no physical sounds, becomes evidence of something not of the physical realm.
Now I know what you are going to say. "What if we get the same exact voice on both at the exact same time?" This is very unlikely because of the science of sound. However, should you get this. Then I would say you may be holding the golden chalice of EVP's because this might show proof of a non physical being crossing over into the physical world. And isn't that one of the things we are looking for?
FOOTNOTE: Don't disable your recorder unless you can afford to do so. I don't want people going around breaking their recorders for this one experiment. This is for those that can afford to and are prepered to do serious research.
I saw this on your site and thought it looked like an interesting experiment. Any results thus far????
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OfflineI saw this on your site and thought it looked like an interesting experiment. Any results thus far????
Some results but nothing conclusive so far. Nothing class A. However, there is a lot more to do like different type recorders in different places, etc. I'm not going anywhere so I will post again as things develope.
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OfflineIf your theory is correct, then what media seems to be imprinted? I think that this is important, because if cassette tapes and only certain other records seem "better", then it is possible that cheap recorders that use a chip as on-board storage instead of some sort of magnetic platter, such as an HDD could be a sure sign of which ones to stay away from.
Also, wasn't the classic EVP theory that white noise seemed to help or amplify EVP's? This would seem to support that EVP's are somehow still in the auditory range, but some recorders may be more "sensitive" as in picking up something above or below the normal range of hearing but down/up converting it onto the recording. This sounds far-fetched until you consider that this is very possible due to the encoding process.
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OfflineIf your theory is correct, then what media seems to be imprinted? I think that this is important, because if cassette tapes and only certain other records seem "better", then it is possible that cheap recorders that use a chip as on-board storage instead of some sort of magnetic platter, such as an HDD could be a sure sign of which ones to stay away from.
Also, wasn't the classic EVP theory that white noise seemed to help or amplify EVP's? This would seem to support that EVP's are somehow still in the auditory range, but some recorders may be more "sensitive" as in picking up something above or below the normal range of hearing but down/up converting it onto the recording. This sounds far-fetched until you consider that this is very possible due to the encoding process.
Ok, back to basics. The general belief is that spirits were once living human beings. I for one do not believe that the person would necessarily become less or even more intelligent after passing. So, if a person didn’t know how to manipulate sound when they were alive, then it is highly unlikely they would after death. Regardless of what the story tellers say. I have found no evidence that spirits look for us like we look for them. I do believe they are aware of us as we are of them but I believe their contact with us as it is with them is purely by accident to this point. Which may be one reason we only get snippets of information. A word here or a word there.
What I was getting at is simply that, spirit energy impulses (rather than physical sound) may be getting picked up directly by the mic-less recorder and the recorder is amplifying it in the heads and imprinting it on the tape. Not being imprinted directly to the tape. Basically, spirit electronic impulses are bypassing the mic and picked up by the recorder. So as to the question of what media is being imprinted. Simply put it is the electronic impulses put out by the spirit. Which is also why sometimes you get sounds and sometimes words, etc.
Yes there is a belief that white noise has an effect on the EVP. However, I have found that it really doesn’t help but rather hinders. Well at least for me. The popular story is, that white noise attracts and/or amplifies the EVP but in fact all I have found it does is creating a constant, consistent, audible sound that allows you to easily pick up something when the white noise is disrupted. I have found white noise to make it very easy to review audio because you don’t have to pay close attention. Then, when it is interrupted it is like a bang. However, I find it extremely difficult to pick up the subtle sound without cleaning it up. I don’t think cleaning up a recording of an EVP is a good thing as it alters the original and no matter how good anyone is. Anything altered will always be questioned as to its credibility.
Yes, there are many recording devices out there that can pick up most any audible sound. So too can you pick up inaudible (to the human ear) sound with a normal recorder but the fact remains that it is still physical sound and although I may be all wet on this. I have found no evidence that a spirit is capable of making physical sound on purpose.
An example of what I speak of is the sounds of animals like the Elephant and Giraffe. Both make sounds inaudible to the human ear. We only found out in recent history about the Elephant when a researcher was recording while studying elephants and made a mistake and replayed his recording at the wrong speed. Well, it was wrong for what he was recording but it revealed a sound made by the elephant that he couldn’t hear.
Keep in mind these are my beliefs based on my work and studies. These are my opinions and the path I am following and not to be misunderstood as being fact at this point. I have a lot of opinions like anyone else. Some on EVP and some on other things. I also have theories on things that may seem to contradict what I have said before. Like I think there may be a reason why people can actually hear voices from the past. Although it has to do with dead people. It has nothing to do with spirits. I also have an idea on EVP's of why different languages may be heard here and English in other countries. However, the fact remains that they are still just opinions until I can prove them and. I welcome all comments.
I also tend to go off on tangents but I hope I answered at least some of the questions. I always seem to be writing in chapters too. Sorry.
OfflineKeep in mind these are my beliefs based on my work and studies. These are my opinions and the path I am following and not to be misunderstood as being fact at this point. I have a lot of opinions like anyone else. Some on EVP and some on other things. I also have theories on things that may seem to contradict what I have said before. Like I think there may be a reason why people can actually hear voices from the past. Although it has to do with dead people. It has nothing to do with spirits. I also have an idea on EVP's of why different languages may be heard here and English in other countries. However, the fact remains that they are still just opinions until I can prove them and. I welcome all comments.
I also tend to go off on tangents but I hope I answered at least some of the questions. I always seem to be writing in chapters too. Sorry.
Ah sure, its not like I know what I'm talking about, I'm just making basic guesses. But yeah, I see what you are saying with the "heads" imprinting "sounds" on the media. However, I don't think that it is likely, because if the information is imprinted as digital and then the playback is then converted back to analogue, then in that case I doubt a spirit would know how to write binary with coding in such a way that the recorder understands. That's really the only reason that I think the spirits' voice may happen before its processed to digital. But its all just a guess. I have no experience in EVP's at all.
OfflineAh sure, its not like I know what I'm talking about, I'm just making basic guesses. But yeah, I see what you are saying with the "heads" imprinting "sounds" on the media. However, I don't think that it is likely, because if the information is imprinted as digital and then the playback is then converted back to analogue, then in that case I doubt a spirit would know how to write binary with coding in such a way that the recorder understands. That's really the only reason that I think the spirits' voice may happen before its processed to digital. But its all just a guess. I have no experience in EVP's at all.
Analog tapes and hard drives both convert electrical signals to magnetic imprints, but most digital recorders use some form of flash memory, which keeps everything in the electrical realm. Given the complexity of A/D conversion and digital storage formats, then the ghost/spirit would almost certainly have to affect the microphone input on some level, either at the microphone's capsule or in the analog amplifier at the front end.
OfflineAnalog tapes and hard drives both convert electrical signals to magnetic imprints, but most digital recorders use some form of flash memory, which keeps everything in the electrical realm. Given the complexity of A/D conversion and digital storage formats, then the ghost/spirit would almost certainly have to affect the microphone input on some level, either at the microphone's capsule or in the analog amplifier at the front end.
I'm glad you mentioned the amplifier, it reminded me of an podcast on deadscience.com where Rob was speaking of the benefits of older Marantz field recorders. He said something to the effect that modern higher end recorders that had a real-time monitor function only utilized audio out of the amplifier and generally did not yield realtime results regarding evp. He also mentionted that the Marantz recorder had additional hardware that allowed real time monitoring via a seperate head I believe. I cannot be certain, but I think that was the gist of it, and it was also mentioned how this recorder became popular with evp researchers because of the success of hearing realtime evp's vs. more modern amplifier audio based realtime monitor features on modern recorders.
Andy
OfflineJust a quick point.
Digital recorders don't have "heads". So unless the energy is being transferred directly to the circuits attached to the inputs of the a to d converter, there won't be any signal. Theres also a problem with theorizing an energy wave form being transfered to both poles of the input at the same time and not phase cancelling the signal in its entirety. Unless the spirit is speaking in binary and whatever compression codec the manufacturer is using. j/k obviously.
Thats it, beside that fact, if the machines used are analog, I can't see any problems with the parameters of the experiment.
If in fact you get an evp on a digital machine with the microphone disabled. It has to be matrixing.
jmho
OfflineJust a quick point.
Digital recorders don't have "heads". So unless the energy is being transferred directly to the circuits attached to the inputs of the a to d converter, there won't be any signal. Theres also a problem with theorizing an energy wave form being transfered to both poles of the input at the same time and not phase cancelling the signal in its entirety. Unless the spirit is speaking in binary and whatever compression codec the manufacturer is using. j/k obviously.
Thats it, beside that fact, if the machines used are analog, I can't see any problems with the parameters of the experiment.
If in fact you get an evp on a digital machine with the microphone disabled. It has to be matrixing.
jmho
My experiments aren't with digital recorders anyway. Digitals are notorious for picking up outside interference and why you can get an EVP without a mic on a digital. They also aren't much use to me but you have to cover all bases in experimentation. I am also not talking about the scratchy noises people call EVP thinking they are spirit voices. EVP is not spirit voices.
I am talking about clear obvious voices. Like Raudive and Estep had recorded years ago. Loyd Auerbach stated he believes it is a psychic impression. I believe it's a little different like I said and you can disable a recorder just by using a blank jack in the mic hole.
I also don't get why so many people like to use the word matrixing. Maybe because they heard it on TV thinking it is a correct term? Actually the correct term is pareidolia. There is no word matrixing. The word is Matrix and the word matrixing was made up and used because of one of the deinitions of Matrix thinking it was a correct term and it just caught on.
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I also don't get why so many people like to use the word matrixing. Maybe because they heard it on TV thinking it is a correct term? Actually the correct term is pareidolia. There is no word matrixing. The word is Matrix and the word matrixing was made up and used because of one of the deinitions of Matrix thinking it was a correct term and it just caught on.
Your right, the only reason I use the term is because it's generally accepted to represent the same concept. Maybe we should call it Rorschaching.
I didn't intend for it to sound like I was finding fault or commenting wholley on your experiment, just that the question of a digital medium came up and I thought I would shed a little more light on the process.
My apologies if I offended.
OfflineYour right, the only reason I use the term is because it's generally accepted to represent the same concept. Maybe we should call it Rorschaching.
I didn't intend for it to sound like I was finding fault or commenting wholley on your experiment, just that the question of a digital medium came up and I thought I would shed a little more light on the process.
My apologies if I offended.
Didn't offend me and sorry if it seemed like I was finger pointing. I apologize if I implied it was for anyone specifically.
I am just one of those people who would like to see people get away from the popular terms and start using terms that fit. I understand that a lot of people like to think it is semantics. I just think the correct terms leave little to interpretation and give a clearer picture and will benefit all in time. Maybe I am just too old and picky. LOL.
A lot of the problem comes from the TV shows and old outdated methods and ideas. However, I must admit that I too am guilty of using some incorrect terms from time to time because of their popularity but I am trying to get on the right track.
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OfflineAssuming you are using a dynamic microphone, wouldn't a more accurate control experiment be to take a similar microphone and remove the diaphragm from it rather than to eliminate the microphone all together? That is unless you are using a capacitive microphone or a very expensive microphone. This way you still have the circuitry (an inductor) of a microphone but it would not be able to generate electrical signals from sound pressure waves.
This would not eliminate a false EVP from being generated by frequency cross modulation as I suspect is happening when experimenters substitute a germanium diode for a microphone.
OfflineAssuming you are using a dynamic microphone, wouldn't a more accurate control experiment be to take a similar microphone and remove the diaphragm from it rather than to eliminate the microphone all together? That is unless you are using a capacitive microphone or a very expensive microphone. This way you still have the circuitry (an inductor) of a microphone but it would not be able to generate electrical signals from sound pressure waves.
This would not eliminate a false EVP from being generated by frequency cross modulation as I suspect is happening when experimenters substitute a germanium diode for a microphone.
You may be correct in your thinking for obtaining an EVP but I am an old school type person. My doctrine is the simpler the better and I am not trying to capture an EVP. I am trying to see if there are actually voices to be recorded. Besides the fact that simpler is more controlled. I can always move on from there if need be.
There is a theory that spirit voices can be imprinted directly to tape and an EVP and a spirit voice are not the same. The term EVP was coined to describe what people thought were spirit voices a long time ago but EVP's are nothing more than what the term implies; a phenomenon that makes random noise sound like words.
In my experiments I do not want any type of microphone because I don't want to capture anything I could hear with my own ears and want to see if I can get something imprinted directly to the tape. Basically, I do not want an electronic phenomenon that sounds like a voice. I want a voice if there are any.
I am just trying to get past the old ways of thinking. Besides this is for me. If it works horray for me. If not, no big deal but so far so good.
OfflineI have posted this other places but this looks like the appropriate place.
I have adopted a theory of my own regarding EVP's. I still believe it is possible that EVP's may be spirits but that they are not physical sound but electronic impulses picked up directly by the recorder or tape, not by the microphone and then transformed into sound.
Simply put, microphones pick up changes in air pressure. The sound waves are picked up by a microphone which converts them into electronic impulses. These impulses are amplified in the recorder. Then pass through the heads which give out a magnetic impulse and then recorded on the passing tape. Now, roughly speaking, a microphone is designed to pick up physical changes in air pressure and the sound waves are in a range closely comparable to the human ear.
This being the case, any EVP picked up by a microphone should be heard by everyone present when it was recorded. However, they almost never are and if they are picked up by the human ear then they are most likely physical sound and probably not a spirit. Remember EVP is electronic voice phenomena not spirit voices.
I believe, that EVP's are the impulses made by the energy produced by an entity and not physical sounds emanating from the entity. So, maybe, in certain conditions it could be directly picked up by a recorder. Maybe the EVP's we are catching are bypassing the microphone and maybe microphones are even interfering with capturing EVP's because they pick up outside physical sounds and we are missing more than capturing.
Now, I am also experimenting using a tape (not digital yet) recorder with a disconnected microphone in conjunction with my regular & digital recording devices to see if there is a difference, if one picks up more than the other or if the mic'less one should pick up something the regular one doesn't. (this is for those of you who are doing or want to do research. Researchers know that you must use all methods available) So for me at least so far, this is the next step in recording for EVP's and so far so good.
(Yes I guess this could be compared loosly to the Bell Jar experiment. Which I have plans of implementing in an underwater enviroment. That's another experiment…)
Back on topic… You can easily disable a recorders microphone if you have an old one. However, you should always use two recorders. One next to the other when trying this method. One with a mic and one without. This way you cover all bases.
The results at minimum will be that you may have some white noise from the recorder itself but you won't get any physical sounds that might be confused as an EVP or spirit voice.
At best, when (and I mean when) you get a voice on your mic'less recorder then you will know you have something. That, paired with the recording from the one with the mic showing no physical sounds, becomes evidence of something not of the physical realm.
Now I know what you are going to say. "What if we get the same exact voice on both at the exact same time?" This is very unlikely because of the science of sound. However, should you get this. Then I would say you may be holding the golden chalice of EVP's because this might show proof of a non physical being crossing over into the physical world. And isn't that one of the things we are looking for?
FOOTNOTE: Don't disable your recorder unless you can afford to do so. I don't want people going around breaking their recorders for this one experiment. This is for those that can afford to and are prepered to do serious research.
I have tried this experiment three times over the past several months during investigations. On one occasion I did catch what is considered a Class B EVP on the recorder with the microphone working. The recorder that has the microphone disabled did not record any audio at all. But there was an interesting blip in the soundwave that is visible and audible right at the same time as the EVP is heard on the recorder with the microphone. The blip is a drop in frequency. For the entire 45 minute session the recorder without microphone had a pretty steady and straight line of static except for this one point where it drops and matches up to the second with the EVP on the other recorder. It could be purely coincidence, or something unknown, but it was interesting.
I'm doing more of these experiments in upcoming investigations. Will report more later.
Tom Stewart
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