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Totally not of the topic…..except for it's about birds….
One time a bird hit our french doors so hard it splattered its brains all over the window. I made Jim clean it up. True story.
once i was driving down a road, suddenly there was a loud bang on
the edge of my windsheild. i knew i had hit a bird. suddenly, my son
who was then around 8 and sitting in the back seat said "something
just hit my head" then he starting screaming when he looked and saw
a dead bird on the seat. i had hit it, in went through the open passenger
window, past my other son who never saw it and hit my son in the head.
that is the strangest thing that has ever happened to me
(well, to my son actually /laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> )
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once i was driving down a road, suddenly there was a loud bang on
the edge of my windsheild. i knew i had hit a bird. suddenly, my son
who was then around 8 and sitting in the back seat said "something
just hit my head" then he starting screaming when he looked and saw
a dead bird on the seat. i had hit it, in went through the open passenger
window, past my other son who never saw it and hit my son in the head.
that is the strangest thing that has ever happened to me
(well, to my son actually
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Oh man poor kid!!
I had a bird drop a snake in my sun roof once when I was stopped at a light. If you know how much I fear snakes (I believe the term is phobia), then you can imagine the panic that ensued.
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Oh man poor kid!!
I had a bird drop a snake in my sun roof once when I was stopped at a light. If you know how much I fear snakes (I believe the term is phobia), then you can imagine the panic that ensued.
Um, is there video to support this incident? /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' />
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Um, is there video to support this incident?
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Thank God, no.
Jim witnessed another snake incident involving a cat, a snake and my feet. He can well imagine what happened in that car.
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http://www.wayodd.com/woman-fi…..s-more-tha…her-car/v/3410/
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http://www.wayodd.com/woman-fi…..s-more-tha…her-car/v/3410/
Okay – gonna stop you right there. I read the first sentence of that article and my heart started racing and my stomach started to hurt. I won't even go into the snake house at the zoo.
Okay – gonna stop you right there. I read the first sentence of that article and my heart started racing and my stomach started to hurt. I won't even go into the snake house at the zoo.
Paging Dr. Freud.
Sayin.
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Paging Dr. Freud.
Sayin.
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Nobody has brought up the Salem witch trials? I like the basic court analogy. Compare: personal experience, to the charges/acusations. That's the significance of personal experience IMO. You can't get a conviction based on acusation. Is that a reasonable comparison, or am I out of line?
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Nobody has brought up the Salem witch trials? I like the basic court analogy. Compare: personal experience, to the charges/acusations. That's the significance of personal experience IMO. You can't get a conviction based on acusation. Is that a reasonable comparison, or am I out of line?
but eye witness accounts are used in court all the time,
and people are convicted because of them.
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but eye witness accounts are used in court all the time,
and people are convicted because of them.
I don't want to argue believe what you want.
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Nobody has brought up the Salem witch trials? I like the basic court analogy. Compare: personal experience, to the charges/acusations. That's the significance of personal experience IMO. You can't get a conviction based on acusation. Is that a reasonable comparison, or am I out of line?
I think it's a reasonable comparison. But just like in court, well in theory anyway, eyewitness testimony is usually a small part of the entire case and weighed as such.
I see it the same way with a paranormal investigation. The eyewitness testimony of paranormal activity is a small part of the total case. But it must be counted in many cases. In some cases, just like in court, eyewitness testimony should be thrown out. But I don't think you can dismiss out of hand all personal experiences of the paranormal. Just like in court. Not all eyewitness testimony is worthless.
There are many factors in considering what should be considered and what shouldn't. That's a discussion in itself. lol
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I don't want to argue believe what you want.
Fair enough, but this is the Debate Board /unsure.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':unsure:' />
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Nobody has brought up the Salem witch trials? I like the basic court analogy. Compare: personal experience, to the charges/acusations. That's the significance of personal experience IMO. You can't get a conviction based on acusation. Is that a reasonable comparison, or am I out of line?
Actually, quite apt I think. Reasonable doubt, however, IMHO is sort of a shaky concept, but it is the best our justice system has. Preponderance of the evidence is even shakier (for civil trials). Part of the problem with reasonable doubt is that very few jurors understand the actual meaning of "beyond a reasonable doubt." Eyewitness testimony – is it enough to create reasonable doubt? It does, every day. I'm guessing that there have been trials where reasonable doubt was determined by eyewitness testimony that overrode actual scientific evidence. It just shows you how much personal agendas can come into play everywhere that evidence is being considered.
Good to see you 'round these parts, BTW. When did you get here???
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I think personal experience is a great place to start, but shouldn't be the basis for declaring a place
haunted. Use those experiences to expand and even help guide your investigation but I don't think
Susie's experience of "seeing a ghostly figure in a hall mirror' is enough to declare a place haunted.
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I think personal experience is a great place to start, but shouldn't be the basis for declaring a place
haunted. Use those experiences to expand and even help guide your investigation but I don't think
Susie's experience of "seeing a ghostly figure in a hall mirror' is enough to declare a place haunted.
while i agree with you Spirit when it comes to the "big picture" of whether
ghosts exist or not, for me personally, if i'm somewhere and a full bodied
apparition materializes, walks up to me, talks to me and then vanishes
into the wall i'm going to conclude one of two things. It was a ghost, or
i've lost my mind /laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':unsure:' />
so on a personal level, i think personal experience is enough
(depending on the strength of the experience), but for the
big picture of proving to society that ghosts exist it's not even
close to enough evidence.
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Considering we have no facts regarding the paranormal, I'd say that any place declared haunted would be an opinion only.
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Fair enough, but this is the Debate Board
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I honestly didn't see that. So it is. Alright, I brought up the witch trials as an example of a false accusation. Maybe not the best example to illustrate the point. I really didn't expect someone to debate the matter.
Actually, quite apt I think. Reasonable doubt, however, IMHO is sort of a shaky concept, but it is the best our justice system has. Preponderance of the evidence is even shakier (for civil trials). Part of the problem with reasonable doubt is that very few jurors understand the actual meaning of "beyond a reasonable doubt." Eyewitness testimony – is it enough to create reasonable doubt? It does, every day. I'm guessing that there have been trials where reasonable doubt was determined by eyewitness testimony that overrode actual scientific evidence. It just shows you how much personal agendas can come into play everywhere that evidence is being considered.
Good to see you 'round these parts, BTW. When did you get here???
I signed up months ago. There was a switch to a new server, wasn't there? It was before that. I think my member number was different though. I'm pretty sure it was #63 (1963, the year I was born).
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while i agree with you Spirit when it comes to the "big picture" of whether
ghosts exist or not, for me personally, if i'm somewhere and a full bodied
apparition materializes, walks up to me, talks to me and then vanishes
into the wall i'm going to conclude one of two things. It was a ghost, or
i've lost my mind
/laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':unsure:' />
so on a personal level, i think personal experience is enough
(depending on the strength of the experience), but for the
big picture of proving to society that ghosts exist it's not even
close to enough evidence.
I totally agree with you. The reason I believe ghosts/spirits exist is
because of my personal experiences but I would never want someone
to come into my home, hear my experiences here and on that info alone, declare
my home haunted.
While I know what I saw and heard was very real, I'm not convinced there couldn't
be a logical explanation for what I experienced. While I ran down every possible
explanation I could come up with, and none of them fit it doesn't necessarily mean it's
paranormal at all. It simply means I couldn't find another explanation for it. Perhaps
someone else could upon a comprehensive investigation.
I just think, in the big picture, there has to be more than personal experience to declare something haunted.
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Considering we have no facts regarding the paranormal, I'd say that any place declared haunted would be an opinion only.
I totally agree Ryan but I'd hope that opinion was based on something more "substantial" than
personal experience alone. /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':unsure:' />
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