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I would think that the evil incarnate that everyone is refering to could be an encounter with an evil entity.
However I think that since these entities are called deceivers, what was experienced was entirely different.
I will look in charismatics and reported encounters with them. There are some early accounts of meetings with Rasputin that
evoked the same reactions that were conveyed in the original post. This should be an interesting study.
Pooperdooper (I feel naughty typing that- my mother would have washed my mouth out with soap back in 1968 /wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' /> ), thanks for getting us back on track here. I do believe that the evil incarnate beings could possibly be responsible for some of the dastardly deeds mentioned above but chances are that most of these folks are simply narcissistic deviants and not actually evil (although their acts are certainly heinous). Evil beings among us is such a terrifying thought to me, but I do believe that if they are out there then the possibility also exists for beings that bring light and goodness to our world. I am looking forward to hearing your findings about these "charismatics".
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Wow, another great discussion.
IMHO I truly believe that the "evil" feeling people can get around certain individuals is a culmination of many factors. First off when you look at the spectrum of people, most people fall into the middle category of typical well, "sinner" for lack of a better word. Not perfect, not evil- they make mistakes, do bad things, but also do good things- basically function in a very middle of the road kind of way- make mistakes, learn from mistakes, try to be better ect. The further you go to either side of the spectrum the fewer people there are.
That being said, I believe that there is pure good and pure evil in this world and beyond. I also believe that like begets like. If you lay with the dogs, you'll get fleas sort of thing. If for whatever reason you've become an evil person- whether it's because of things that influenced that behavior- child abuse, sexual abuse, early childhood trauma (ie Hitler, Manson, Dexter lol) or an inherited mental illness, you'll probably have a higher likelihood of making evil or bad decisions in your life. Obviously, some people that have everything going against them still succeed- ce la vie. Just as some people who "had it all" can still end up being complete wretches in life.
I believe that regardless of the reasons you are making evil choices or thinking/doing evil things, the closer you inch to the far spectrum of evil, the more you draw on the pure evil that exists in a non physical form. Call it demons, dark energy, whatever- I know there has been discussion of how bad circumstances can manifest a negative entity for instance. Ultimately, I believe that the more removed a person is from any form of good, they are just leaving large openings in their personal self that are just waiting to be filled with bad in it's purest form.
And similarly, I believe the more good a person has in them, the closer in touch they are with good in the spiritual sense- God, angels, "good vibrations" lol.
So when you look into the eyes of someone that surrounds themselves with evil- that does evil things, that revels in the obscene, the disgusting, the unspeakable- the pure evil you see and feel is more than just them- it's compounded of the evil that they've allowed to enter into them and their own acts that have gotten them to that point.
I hope this made sense. /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' />
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Yes this makes sense to me. It is the logical progression of how acts and thoughts can go either way. I believe that our free will allows us to make decisions every day that could be good or not. JJB alluded to the importance of being aware of potential consequences in another thread just recently which can be applied here as well. I have never really thought about good and evil being on a spectrum like you have in your post but it really is like that. If someone is willing to behave in ways that are hurtful to others, then they are much more likely to invite ( or at least allow) more sinister forces into their lives. Same for good, like you said. This really gets me thinking. Thanks for sharing your simple, yet very thought provoking response. So glad you are back on the boards!
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I believe that regardless of the reasons you are making evil choices or thinking/doing evil things, the closer you inch to the far spectrum of evil, the more you draw on the pure evil that exists in a non physical form. Call it demons, dark energy, whatever- I know there has been discussion of how bad circumstances can manifest a negative entity for instance. Ultimately, I believe that the more removed a person is from any form of good, they are just leaving large openings in their personal self that are just waiting to be filled with bad in it's purest form.
And similarly, I believe the more good a person has in them, the closer in touch they are with good in the spiritual sense- God, angels, "good vibrations" lol.
So when you look into the eyes of someone that surrounds themselves with evil- that does evil things, that revels in the obscene, the disgusting, the unspeakable- the pure evil you see and feel is more than just them- it's compounded of the evil that they've allowed to enter into them and their own acts that have gotten them to that point.
I hope this made sense.
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This makes a lot of sense, actually. It brings to mind the old expression "in league with the Devil". The more evil you do, the more evil you attract until you truly become pure evil or evil incarnate. At this point other people may be able to feel the evil energy coming from you. Hmmm.
Very interesting.
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This makes a lot of sense, actually. It brings to mind the old expression "in league with the Devil". The more evil you do, the more evil you attract until you truly become pure evil or evil incarnate. At this point other people may be able to feel the evil energy coming from you. Hmmm.
Very interesting.
Absolutely. In fact, to take it one step further- there is probably a point at which the evil person takes the back burner and the pure evil takes center stage. If you go by this kind of thinking you can possibly see that progression with people like Hitler and more recently Jared Loughner in Arizona- the point that you can just look into someone eyes or be in their presence and feel pure evil.
Man, this is a creepy but very interesting discussion. Talk about getting the gears grinding!
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I have a relative that falls into this catagory. He is in prsion serving three life sentences. He went into a crazy raid and took his X girlfriend out and the man she was with and after he did them in he was driving down the road and took down a jogger and as he looked into his rearview window he noticed the guy got up so he turned the car around and ran over till he was gone. I could never have that much anger and evil in me. Thanks ST
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Absolutely. In fact, to take it one step further- there is probably a point at which the evil person takes the back burner and the pure evil takes center stage. If you go by this kind of thinking you can possibly see that progression with people like Hitler and more recently Jared Loughner in Arizona- the point that you can just look into someone eyes or be in their presence and feel pure evil.
Man, this is a creepy but very interesting discussion. Talk about getting the gears grinding!
Or, those two could be perfect examples of the progressive effects of degenerative mental illness…
In Hitler's case, it was the neorological damage of long-term chronic syphillis, but he was really more a product of the time he lived in. Germany got royally shafted by the Treaty of Versailles that ended WW1. The reperations they were forced to pay the winning side effectively bankrupted them, leaving a large and naturally militaristic nation very pissed at the world. Hitler was almost an inevitability. That's why the allies gave both Germany and Japan an economic rebuilding after WW2, instead of leaving them devastated and in ruins.
Just my opinion, but I think evil is a purely human construct, used to label behaviors the we personally don't approve of. Most of those behaviors stem from simply being selfish, and putting our desires above the welfare of others, which is why so many people seem so evil. Maybe there is "absolute evil" out there somewhere, but I'd have to see it myself to really believe it.
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Or, those two could be perfect examples of the progressive effects of degenerative mental illness…
In Hitler's case, it was the neorological damage of long-term chronic syphillis, but he was really more a product of the time he lived in. Germany got royally shafted by the Treaty of Versailles that ended WW1. The reperations they were forced to pay the winning side effectively bankrupted them, leaving a large and naturally militaristic nation very pissed at the world. Hitler was almost an inevitability. That's why the allies gave both Germany and Japan an economic rebuilding after WW2, instead of leaving them devastated and in ruins.
Just my opinion, but I think evil is a purely human construct, used to label behaviors the we personally don't approve of. Most of those behaviors stem from simply being selfish, and putting our desires above the welfare of others, which is why so many people seem so evil. Maybe there is "absolute evil" out there somewhere, but I'd have to see it myself to really believe it.
I think that your idea that evil is a purely human construct is even more frightening because it does not allow for factors beyond our control. The fact that people are capable of doing such evil deeds without any sort of demonic influence puts the concept of behavior and consequences squarely on the shoulders of humankind. It seems a little safer to think that 'the devil made me do it' because then it is something we can not control. To realize that someone, just like me, could be so bitter and hateful (or so sick in the head) that they could carry out such horrors is hard to accept. As Mum says, "there but for the grace of God, go I". We learned a word in college that seems to apply here with Hitler's name being brought up- Zeitgeist. I think that Jyb is on to something because the chances of a Hitler ever being able to construct such a warped idea probably could not have happened at any other time or place. The Treaty of Versailles was tough on the Germans and it gave rise to the likes of a bitter and hateful man. Our nation definitely learned a lesson that mere punishment is not enough because it could sow the seeds for future horrors. The Marshall Plan was smart and was probably the beginning of our military being able to understand the power of "winning the hearts and minds" of the people in countries where we bomb them back to the stone age. It's amazing what a chocolate bar, clean water and toilet facilities can accomplish. Just my thoughts on a cold, spring morning.
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IMHO another Hitler could happen anytime right here in America. It just takes a bad economy and a leader evil enough to use it to accomplish his/her goals. We're already being told that the evil corporations and those awful rich people aren't paying their fair share. Instead of respecting the hard work and determination required to make money, we're being slowly brainwashed into thinking that people with money are greedy, bad people who must have taken advantage of others to achieve their success. Never mind that they sacrificed to get a good education and worked ten times harder than someone else. It's just not fair that some people earn more than others.
That's exactly how it started in Germany. Rich people weren't paying their share. Then rich people were bad. Then rich people became a code for Jewish people and then Jewish people became those dirty Jews who were a parasite on the rest of the populace.
Think of what Hitler & crew managed to do. They turned the wealthy people who provided jobs and paid most of the taxes into parasites in the minds of most Germans. Isn't that exactly what is happening here? The very people who hire other people are said to be making a living on the backs of the poor. The top 5% bracket pays almost all of the taxes collected while half of americans either pay no taxes at all or get a refund of all or more than they paid in but the rich are the ones who aren't paying their fair share??? It's totally backwards, through the looking glass thinking but just look at how many people think that way. Add in the anti Israel attitude that seems to be taking on a life of it's own and all of the elements are there for another tragedy.
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Great thread.
The discussion of NAMBLA makes me want to vomit, having two small children of my own.
I will take your word for it that the abuse of children is being made more and more acceptable…I just can't believe in that kind of thing, it makes me physically sick…always has. I do watch my own children like a hawk…so I guess I am subconsciously aware of what lurks beyond my control.
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The problem with these evil people who do things to kids is, they don't think they are doing something evil. And thatis the scary part of it all. The serial or mass murderers don't view that what they do are wrong. Hook them all up to electric bleachers and throw the switch.
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