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Today's blog was about predetermism. What do you think? Are some things fated, or is everything the logical outcome of our personal choices?
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This is a hard one. I don't think that everything in life is predetermined, but perhaps some things are fated. And maybe, with our choices, our fate changes. I'd like to think we had some control with our choices, but then again, we can't control other people's choices that affect us.
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The only thing predetermined is our own demise, and of course taxes.
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The only thing predetermined is our own demise, and of course taxes.
Predetermined nah, I don't think so. For our death to be predetermined
our births would have had to have been a lock as well. As for taxes that's a decision
and a whole other forum. /laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
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My birth was determined when the old man and the old lady got jiggy with it.
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Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen *anything* to make me believe that there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything. 'Cause no mystical energy field controls *my* destiny. It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.
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I don't believe anything is predetermined,
there is no such thing as "fate".
But we also don't have complete control
over our lives either. We have control
over how we react to events/situations around us,
but we have no control over other people
or nature which are causing the events/situations
that we have to react to.
I've had a lot of cr*p happen in my life
that I had no control over. How I reacted
to these events, for better or worse, are
all on me though. No one decided before
I was even born that Heidi will have this
laundry list of awful things happen to her.
I don't believe in fate
I don't believe in karma
and for a lot of things
I don't believe in coincidence.
call me a cynic
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I don't believe anything is predetermined,
there is no such thing as "fate".
But we also don't have complete control
over our lives either. We have control
over how we react to events/situations around us,
but we have no control over other people
or nature which are causing the events/situations
that we have to react to.
I've had a lot of cr*p happen in my life
that I had no control over. How I reacted
to these events, for better or worse, are
all on me though. No one decided before
I was even born that Heidi will have this
laundry list of awful things happen to her.
I don't believe in fate
I don't believe in karma
and for a lot of things
I don't believe in coincidence.
call me a cynic
Maybe things are predetermined to a certain point and after
that random chance kicks in. Would there be any science that
would suggest that as plausible? /blink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
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Maybe things are predetermined to a certain point and after
that random chance kicks in. Would there be any science that
would suggest that as plausible?
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but to have predetermination you have to believe
in a "higher power". Someone/something has to be
making the decisions on what will happen to you.
so that opens up the whole "can science and god coexist" argument.
i'm not looking to get into a religious debate,
i just barely got here haha.
i'm no expert on the subject, but i will
do some research on science and
predetermination/fate and get back to you though.
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but to have predetermination you have to believe
in a "higher power". Someone/something has to be
making the decisions on what will happen to you.
so that opens up the whole "can science and god coexist" argument.
i'm not looking to get into a religious debate,
i just barely got here haha.
i'm no expert on the subject, but i will
do some research on science and
predetermination/fate and get back to you though.
Maybe it is not so much God guiding our lives, as our higher spiritual selves.
Just a thought.
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Maybe it is not so much God guiding our lives, as our higher spiritual selves.
Just a thought.
I think the important word you used there was "guiding"
If something is guiding us, what ever it may be, then it is helping us in our journey.
To me that isn't the same as predetermination.
To me predetermination or fate means certain things are going to happen.
No need to be "guided" because if it's "fate" it's going to happen no matter what.
And for me personally I don't believe that. I don't believe things are destined
to happen to me.
(pooperdooper @ Jun 20 2009, 09:26 AM)Maybe things are predetermined to a certain point and after
that random chance kicks in. Would there be any science that
would suggest that as plausible?
Jon, I looked and I wasn't able to find anything
that showed scientific proof of "fate", but i'll admit
i didn't look TOO hard haha
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I would hate to think that I am not the result of my choices, and that my choices can't affect my future.
At the same time, total control is an illusion (as HeidiAnn mentioned). The control we have is in how we conduct ourselves and how we choose to deal with the circumstances that arise.
As for the theory that we set things for ourselves to experience before we come – maybe we do. But if we do, I don't think we are forced to follow those paths – the opportunity just arises for us to choose them.
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As for the theory that we set things for ourselves to experience before we come - maybe we do. But if we do, I don't think we are forced to follow those paths – the opportunity just arises for us to choose them.
Boy! if that's true I'm pretty pissed with myself /angry.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':o' />
Why in the world would I pick all the crap that has happened to me???
I should have been smart enough to pick fame, fortune and eternal happiness /laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
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Boy! if that's true I'm pretty pissed with myself
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Why in the world would I pick all the crap that has happened to me???
I should have been smart enough to pick fame, fortune and eternal happiness
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I could give you all sorts of trite and pat answers to this. But I won't. Answers to horrible things like "it was God's will" have never sat well with me.
Bottom line is I no more know what goes on outside of the physical world I experience than anyone else. It's sure interesting as heck to think about though.
I always consider such fantastic possibilities about things that I wonder if when I die – if my consciousness carries on, am I going to think, "Seriously? This is all there is to it, and this is how and why it happens? What a RIP!!!" /laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
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I could give you all sorts of trite and pat answers to this. But I won't. Answers to horrible things like "it was God's will" have never sat well with me.
Bottom line is I no more know what goes on outside of the physical world I experience than anyone else. It's sure interesting as heck to think about though.
I always consider such fantastic possibilities about things that I wonder if when I die – if my consciousness carries on, am I going to think, "Seriously? This is all there is to it, and this is how and why it happens? What a RIP!!!"
/laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':(' /> (no pun intended)
Life happens and then you die. I'm in a mood.
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Life happens and then you die. I'm in a mood.
I can tell.
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Life happens and then you die. I'm in a mood.
poor Dawk /sad.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':(' />
get a drink and a heating pad and try to relax
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