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OfflineLet's talk about Ouija boards. I know they are quite controversial. As a matter of fact, the evidence of the week that I am posting for tomorrow's blog talks of a Ouija board experience in conjunction with a few other pieces of evidence/experiences. I hesitated to even post that blog knowing that I would probably have people chastise me for using a Ouija board.
I have always thought of them as a game and nothing more, but I am well aware of others' beliefs about them.
I have also always believed that the mechanism by which they work is the Ideomotor Effect and that people are not realizing they are moving the planchette, but they are. My Ouija board experience has me wondering about this because I had my fingertips resting so lightly on the planchette you could have shined a light underneath them and had the light shine through. So was my partner in Ouija board crime. When the planchette would move (very slowly, by the way) we could feel it actually slide underneath our fingers as if our fingers were stationary and the planchette was moving. I kept having to move my fingers to catch up to the planchette.
So – what do you think about Ouija boards? Portal to the demonic? Toy? Ridiculous?
Let's discuss. /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':P' /> I don't have enough experience on my own to reach any conclusions at this point.
OfflineWhen I was younger, my friends and I used to take our OB and go to this really creepy cemetery. Of course the thing moved around and gave us all the answers we were looking for. And of course we all denied moving it. Still, it was fun to scare ourselves. After I was in church for awhile, I was told that OBs were demonic and a portal for demons to enter and wreck havoc. I didn't touch one the whole time I was wrapped up in the church.
In my adult life, I know and understand that the OB is just a silly game intended to open the mind to possibilities and help us along with scaring ourselves. The best part about it is that it works. We do think about all of the possibilities something like a OB can open up if it were real.
IMO, the OB is a toy, nothing more, nohing less. But, you knew I was going to say that, didn't you? /wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':P' />
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OfflineFirst off, I want to say that people who say that the Ouija board is a game in the Milton Bradley sense of it all are right- it is a 'board game'. However, the actual process of a spirit board isn't a game at all. It's an occult tool going back centuries. You don't need good ol' Milton's to talk to the dead since it's not the board, but rather, the action of invocation. Any piece of paper and a button will do.
The action of this invocation is very real and can be very dangerous. I personally never used one but have heard the stories(my best friends great grandmother was a witch) and have seen the after effects of a session gone terribly wrong. Obviously some people never have anything happen, and then you've got the extreme cases of terror. It's a lot like gambling- only instead of money being at stake, you're dealing with strangers. After a close friend went through a terrible experience with one in her already very haunted old home, the first thing I said to her was "What did you expect?" When you're dealing with the spirit world there is no way of knowing what or who is on the other side. A basic concept we all learn as children is "don't talk to strangers". As we get older we can use our own judgement to figure out who we want to talk to or avoid on the street. But we don't have that luxury when dealing with the 'other side'. With the spirit world, even those with a sixth sense about them, still are childlike in their understanding of what's there. Any believer, non-believer or skeptic, after thousands of years of debate, multitudes of religious beliefs, theories, personal experiences, captured "evidence", no one can agree on anything. So when you're dealing with the unknown, it's best to use common sense- don't invite strangers into your home- or to hang out with you in a cemetery. There are a lot of perverts and sickos in this world, and to assume they don't exist on the other side in some form is naive. And I don't care if you're a complete non-believer, it's basic probability. It's easy for some pervert to pretend to be someone else online- and it's just that easy for some cosmic bad guy to pretend to be a lost little girl ghost through a Ouiji board.
Everyone has had some experience with theft, physical or sexual abuse or violence in some form- if it hasn't happened to you, it's happened to someone you know. I can appreciate anyones desire to want to understand, prove or disprove any concept. Curiosity is human nature- but just try to be reasonable. If you wouldn't want to send your personal information out to all the sex offenders in your town, then you probably don't want to send an open invite to the spirit world for a party at your place.
OfflineFirst off, I want to say that people who say that the Ouija board is a game in the Milton Bradley sense of it all are right- it is a 'board game'. However, the actual process of a spirit board isn't a game at all. It's an occult tool going back centuries. You don't need good ol' Milton's to talk to the dead since it's not the board, but rather, the action of invocation. Any piece of paper and a button will do.
The action of this invocation is very real and can be very dangerous. I personally never used one but have heard the stories(my best friends great grandmother was a witch) and have seen the after effects of a session gone terribly wrong. Obviously some people never have anything happen, and then you've got the extreme cases of terror. It's a lot like gambling- only instead of money being at stake, you're dealing with strangers. After a close friend went through a terrible experience with one in her already very haunted old home, the first thing I said to her was "What did you expect?" When you're dealing with the spirit world there is no way of knowing what or who is on the other side. A basic concept we all learn as children is "don't talk to strangers". As we get older we can use our own judgement to figure out who we want to talk to or avoid on the street. But we don't have that luxury when dealing with the 'other side'. With the spirit world, even those with a sixth sense about them, still are childlike in their understanding of what's there. Any believer, non-believer or skeptic, after thousands of years of debate, multitudes of religious beliefs, theories, personal experiences, captured "evidence", no one can agree on anything. So when you're dealing with the unknown, it's best to use common sense- don't invite strangers into your home- or to hang out with you in a cemetery. There are a lot of perverts and sickos in this world, and to assume they don't exist on the other side in some form is naive. And I don't care if you're a complete non-believer, it's basic probability. It's easy for some pervert to pretend to be someone else online- and it's just that easy for some cosmic bad guy to pretend to be a lost little girl ghost through a Ouiji board.
Everyone has had some experience with theft, physical or sexual abuse or violence in some form- if it hasn't happened to you, it's happened to someone you know. I can appreciate anyones desire to want to understand, prove or disprove any concept. Curiosity is human nature- but just try to be reasonable. If you wouldn't want to send your personal information out to all the sex offenders in your town, then you probably don't want to send an open invite to the spirit world for a party at your place.
Excellent post!
OfflineI had the Ouija board game growing up. Nothing of consequence ever happened while we used it.
I'd like to try it out again.
I don't think the Ouija board is much different than any other form of contacting a spirit. I'd think that it would be about the same as trying to communicate with spirits with audio, video, or other methods.
I think I'd like to try out the board again and run an audio recorder at the same time.
OfflineI had the Ouija board game growing up. Nothing of consequence ever happened while we used it.
I'd like to try it out again.
I don't think the Ouija board is much different than any other form of contacting a spirit. I'd think that it would be about the same as trying to communicate with spirits with audio, video, or other methods.
I think I'd like to try out the board again and run an audio recorder at the same time.
good point, not one i really thought about until i just read it….interesting. I never tried one, always been taught they were bad, but would maybe like to see one in use by people that I know…just to see what happens…
OfflineWhen you communicate in anyway you are leaving yourself open. From a ghost hunt, to trying to catch EVP's to anything. It all comes down to safety, knowing what your doing, and knowing how to close the portal when your done. Iv used one a few times (with creepy results and I was alone so no telling me someone physical was moving the pointer). I, personally go in with a protection ritual, end with a closing portal ritual (so they wont stick around or come through uninvited) and end with a cleansing ritual and blessing. The people that have horrible experiences do not close the portal (a key thing). Some even go so far to destroy the board before doing so (not good).
Is it a "toy". Not in the normal sense no. Is it "harmful". It can be, but so can anything done with the paranormal (or even life itself) if not taking the right steps. I say use it. But just like the others be careful and alert. And always remain in control and close any portals you open.
OfflineI'm not sure how I feel about the boards. I know that when I was a kid we used one, and allegedly got replies, but it's just so darn easy to fake..I suppose that as a rule, you would have to ascertain for yourself whether it was reliable or not. And unfortunately, they say that using them solo is bad…so what to do?
OfflineI don't think the Ouija board is much different than any other form of contacting a spirit. I'd think that it would be about the same as trying to communicate with spirits with audio, video, or other methods.
good point, not one i really thought about until i just read it….interesting. I never tried one, always been taught they were bad, but would maybe like to see one in use by people that I know…just to see what happens…
There's a huge difference between going to an alleged haunted location, setting up a voice recorder and saying "is anyone there?" and using a seance-type tool which is opening doors that we really really don't understand(as opposed to your typical haunt which only gets one "really" lol). Not sure if many bothered to read my long-winded post on the risk factors, but it really is worth reading if you're contemplating any kind of invocation.
When you communicate in anyway you are leaving yourself open. From a ghost hunt, to trying to catch EVP's to anything. It all comes down to safety, knowing what your doing, and knowing how to close the portal when your done. Iv used one a few times (with creepy results and I was alone so no telling me someone physical was moving the pointer). I, personally go in with a protection ritual, end with a closing portal ritual (so they wont stick around or come through uninvited) and end with a cleansing ritual and blessing. The people that have horrible experiences do not close the portal (a key thing). Some even go so far to destroy the board before doing so (not good).
Is it a "toy". Not in the normal sense no. Is it "harmful". It can be, but so can anything done with the paranormal (or even life itself) if not taking the right steps. I say use it. But just like the others be careful and alert. And always remain in control and close any portals you open.
Thanks for this imput- I just don't think people realize that you really need to be studied in these things before jumping into them. If anyone is really that determined, there's much to be learned before taking this route.
Sorry to everyone if I'm being intense on this subject, I just feel really strongly about it and have my reasons. I really just want people to be safe when dealing with this level of contact /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />
OfflineThere's a huge difference between going to an alleged haunted location, setting up a voice recorder and saying "is anyone there?" and using a seance-type tool which is opening doors that we really really don't understand(as opposed to your typical haunt which only gets one "really" lol). Not sure if many bothered to read my long-winded post on the risk factors, but it really is worth reading if you're contemplating any kind of invocation.
Thanks for this imput- I just don't think people realize that you really need to be studied in these things before jumping into them. If anyone is really that determined, there's much to be learned before taking this route.
Sorry to everyone if I'm being intense on this subject, I just feel really strongly about it and have my reasons. I really just want people to be safe when dealing with this level of contact
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But investigators don't just usually set up a voice recorder and ask, "Is anyone there?" They ask a lot of questions for a long period of time. I definitely think that when someone asks questions in any form, they are "opening doors," regardless if they are using a Ouija board or a digital recorder … or any other tool for that matter.
I encourage people to be responsible and "safe" with any tool they use when trying to contact the dead.
OfflineI remember using one at recess around 5th grade or so. I think they came out as a board game around 67, or so and were all the rage with us.
I could never get it to move, by myself. If I recall the instuctions with the board, you could ask it about your love life and fortune.
We were young girls so there were always the, who like who questions. I know, lol this has nothing to do with talking with spirits from the beyond.
We did some dabbling in the unknown.
I remember, our teacher came over one day on the play ground and just stomped the board and broke it.
Years later I read about the Ideomotor effect.
I think this is how we made it move.
OfflineI got my first Ouija board from a former teacher of mine who swore on her life that it was possessed by a spirit named Atlantic- the former king of the last city by the same name. Obviously with a fantastic claim like that I didn't believe her, but she remains convinced to this day that the spirit has tried to kill her multiple times- and once almost succeeded. (Apparently she kept the board in her garage near an ax that hung on the wall, and one day it fell down barely missing her.)
On a personal- I have often used ouija boards- different ones and types, usually while i was alone since I know very few people that are willing to participate in ghostly activities. The only time I'm ever able to get the planchet to move is when I put both my hands on it, and although I have gotten it to go at a decent speed, I'm pretty sure it was my own hand nerves and nothing more.
OfflineA Ouija board in itself is nothing but paper, plastic and a little brass tack, it' neither good or evil, I think it's possible one can be used as an occult tool or a play thing. Like most occult items it all depends on intent and strength of belief. If everyone that ever used a Ouija board was putting themselves in imminent danger, there would be thousands of cases of possession and or paranormal attack. There have been possibly millions of these boards sold and I would hazard to guess there is only a tiny percentage of cases where someone has suffered bad consequences. The odds of a demonic, evil entity or bad psychological experience is probably only a slight bit higher than the chance of being killed in an airplane crash. When someone does suffer an attack you then have to ask was the bad experience real or a self attack brought about by some psychological flaw in the user? Of course it is possible that whenever someone sits down to play, deceased family members or angels gather to shield the innocents and its only on the rare occasion that an evil entity does force it's way through. In case you are wondering, I do not own a Ouija board, never have and frown upon it's use in any type of investigation.
OfflineI have found that if you believe in spirits, portals, demons and such — then the ouija board will work for you……..
If you don't believe in that stuff -- then it is just a toy, that makes use of the ideomotor effect…..
I think that even if you DO believe, the ideomotor effect can take over. Because people want to believe SO badly, they don't realize what exactly it is that they are doing.
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OfflineWhat about the people who don't want it to "work" but it "works" anyway?
Ah, but only that person would know, in their hard of hearts, if they really didn't want it to work, would be that person. Even so, the ideometer comes into play here as well. Even if they don't really want it to work, most people expect it to.
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