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OfflineThis is one of the issues in the paranormal that I understand- but I do see it all of the time (sometimes including with myself). I see something or have an experience. Then I ask for opinions and of course opinions are like – well you know – everyone has one. Which is cool. But it takes me a few minutes to get past my ego and what I believe I have to actually listen to and accept what others say. When I ask, I do genuinely want opinions, but then I am sort of taken aback at all of the other possible explanations for my terrific find. Hmmmmmm…..a blog maybe????
This is exactly what happens to all of us I think. We get torn between what we hope and the majority opinion. I don't know if it is so much ego as it is our natural desire to have what we believe be accepted.
This case was a little different as opinion changed to fact in a few areas making it harder to believe. We just have to get past it, accept the opinions and move on. We also have to remember that opinions, no matter how good, doesn't make whatever it is fact.
OfflineThis is exactly what happens to all of us I think. We get torn between what we hope and the majority opinion. I don't know if it is so much ego as it is our natural desire to have what we believe be accepted.
This case was a little different as opinion changed to fact in a few areas making it harder to believe. We just have to get past it, accept the opinions and move on. We also have to remember that opinions, no matter how good, doesn't make whatever it is fact.
As promised: Blog. You people inspire me.
OfflineThis is exactly what happens to all of us I think. We get torn between what we hope and the majority opinion. I don't know if it is so much ego as it is our natural desire to have what we believe be accepted.
This case was a little different as opinion changed to fact in a few areas making it harder to believe. We just have to get past it, accept the opinions and move on. We also have to remember that opinions, no matter how good, doesn't make whatever it is fact.
taking this lady's case out of the equation, things/experiences can have more that one explanation…just because there can also be a logical, non-paranormal reason someone had an experience doesn't negate that there could also have been something legitimately paranormal happening to the same time. as karen said in her blog our physical response can be a barometer leading us to recognize that other things are happening. BUT proving sensations to others is not going to happen.
after one has an experience it is also easy to start disbelieving ourselves, ie finding any logical reason for what happened because the occurrence as experienced is IMPOSSIBLE. if, after self-examination and input from others is gone over in my head, i must make the decision as to whether or not it happened, impossible or not. and, just sometimes, the seemingly impossible happens. jmho
"We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of dreams." - Willy Wonka (Gene Wilder)
OfflineI think people do get defensive when their way of thinking is challenged, on any topic.
There is something similar happening at syfy. A woman made a post about an experience
she had and posted some pics. In her first post she said that she didnt think it was paranormal,
but couldnt figure out what it was (she now denies having said she didnt think it was paranormal,
but she did). When people responded giving her explanations of normal things that could have
caused it she got really mad. She removed her pics and post. Then she reposted the pics, but
she's still angry that people are suggesting "normal" alternatives to her events. As I told her,
I'm not saying it wasnt paranormal, but you have to rule out the "normal" stuff first before
you can declare it to be paranormal.
Open mindedness goes both ways…the skeptic should be willing to consider the chance it could
be something paranormal, but the true believer needs to be willing to consider there could be
a perfectly normal explanation for an experience.
OfflineI think people do get defensive when their way of thinking is challenged, on any topic.
Open mindedness goes both ways…the skeptic should be willing to consider the chance it could
be something paranormal, but the true believer needs to be willing to consider there could be
a perfectly normal explanation for an experience.
I think we are a long way from all being open minded and I stopped bumping heads with skeptics and non believers a long time ago. I have nothing against them. They are entitled to their opinions too. What I did realize was that I was wasting my time on trying to express my thoughts and ideas to them. For me it is like striking my head against a wall. Besides, it isn't, wasn't and will never be about them in my opinion. It is all about those who experience, believe and want to believe. That is really where it all lies for me. I mean, if it weren't for the believers, then there would be nothing for them to be skeptical about.
Why waste my time trying to get a skeptic to believe in something. If I find something, say something or come up with a theory that even remotely interests a skeptic then they will come to me. If not then fine. At least I haven't wasted anything on them. I just see a skeptic and non believers stand a very comfortable position. They take no responsibility, make no effort and always use the same statement; show me. Leaving the entire burden on us.
OfflineWhile I agree with you Kim to an extent, I also think that when someone comes
to people and asks an opinion on something, they should not get p*ssed when
someone gives an opinion they dont like. They dont have to believe the person,
but if you ask a question be prepared to hear the answers. If you dont want to
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*this is not directed at you Kim personally, i'm more still thinking about the person at syfy who came and asked for opinions, then got mad when we said things she didnt want to/expect to hear.
OfflineWhile I agree with you Kim to an extent, I also think that when someone comes
to people and asks an opinion on something, they should not get p*ssed when
someone gives an opinion they dont like. They dont have to believe the person,
but if you ask a question be prepared to hear the answers. If you dont want to
hear them, dont ask
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*this is not directed at you Kim personally, i'm more still thinking about the person at syfy who came and asked for opinions, then got mad when we said things she didnt want to/expect to hear.
I totally agree. If you ask for criticism you should be prepared for criticism.
OfflineI think we are a long way from all being open minded and I stopped bumping heads with skeptics and non believers a long time ago. I have nothing against them. They are entitled to their opinions too. What I did realize was that I was wasting my time on trying to express my thoughts and ideas to them. For me it is like striking my head against a wall. Besides, it isn't, wasn't and will never be about them in my opinion. It is all about those who experience, believe and want to believe. That is really where it all lies for me. I mean, if it weren't for the believers, then there would be nothing for them to be skeptical about.
Why waste my time trying to get a skeptic to believe in something. If I find something, say something or come up with a theory that even remotely interests a skeptic then they will come to me. If not then fine. At least I haven't wasted anything on them. I just see a skeptic and non believers stand a very comfortable position. They take no responsibility, make no effort and always use the same statement; show me. Leaving the entire burden on us.
I disagree with your assessment of skeptics and non-believers — especially those of us who frequent paranormal forums…….
I, and many others, routinely research and use personal experiences to discuss equipment and offer logical explanations for what some claim to be paranormal……..
I may try to explain away someones evidence as non paranormal, but I don't try to change their beliefs……
OfflineI think we are a long way from all being open minded and I stopped bumping heads with skeptics and non believers a long time ago. I have nothing against them. They are entitled to their opinions too. What I did realize was that I was wasting my time on trying to express my thoughts and ideas to them. For me it is like striking my head against a wall. Besides, it isn't, wasn't and will never be about them in my opinion. It is all about those who experience, believe and want to believe. That is really where it all lies for me. I mean, if it weren't for the believers, then there would be nothing for them to be skeptical about.
Why waste my time trying to get a skeptic to believe in something. If I find something, say something or come up with a theory that even remotely interests a skeptic then they will come to me. If not then fine. At least I haven't wasted anything on them. I just see a skeptic and non believers stand a very comfortable position. They take no responsibility, make no effort and always use the same statement; show me. Leaving the entire burden on us.
Why take any time trying to get anyone to believe anything. I think when you open up and let that all go, the discussion and ideas of the paranormal move forward.
For me it really doesn't matter what people believe, the paranormal draws all walks of life on the belief, non belief, and fence sitter.
It's time we move forward, imo. /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />
OfflineWhy take any time trying to get anyone to believe anything. I think when you open up and let that all go, the discussion and ideas of the paranormal move forward.
For me it really doesn't matter what people believe, the paranormal draws all walks of life on the belief, non belief, and fence sitter.
It's time we move forward, imo.
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That about sums it up for me and what I meant but you just said it better… My concern is not with proving anything to anyone in particular. If we ever obtain solid evidence it will stand on its own. My concern is with following my path to see where it leads.
Also, I don't speak of the investigator or researcher that approaches with a dose of skepticism. That is inherent in all of us. I also concede that there may be that unique skeptic that for whatever their reasons are doing research. I just find in my experience, there are far more that just sit back and talk.
OfflineWOW! She deleted me from the comments, friends and blocked me. ?????
I guess she must be a fraud. What bothers me is that she has a web site too where she charges for her services. I wonder if she is a fraud there too? Briar Rose Reiki
I always wonder why people who ask for opinions get so mad when you give them. Did she really think people were going to believe it was a ghost?
My vote is for she's a fraud, can't imagine anyone buying into this mess. Thanks for sharing though, got a better laugh than watching GL. /laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':P' />
OfflineI'd say she's a fraud. As someone who practices crystal healing, I can tell you she has no idea what she's talking about on her site. She even claims she can cure cancer!
OfflineI'd say she's a fraud. As someone who practices crystal healing, I can tell you she has no idea what she's talking about on her site. She even claims she can cure cancer!
I appreciate everyone’s input and honesty. Which is the reason I posted it here.
Call it intuition, hunch or whatever, I just didn’t get a good feeling about this person from the minute she contacted me as a friend on Facebook. Maybe because I was from NJ or was a fan of G-burg. Well, she is moving to G-burg and I suspect she may be doing it because of the tourist trade and her Reiki business.
Thank you GoddessTiger. I am unfamiliar with Reiki and no offense to anyone else but I didn’t understand all of her site. I suppose those are real things people do?
Maybe it is just me but I think this person needs a harder look from people as I wonder if she is really what she says or just a con artist of the naïve.
OfflineI appreciate everyone’s input and honesty. Which is the reason I posted it here.
Call it intuition, hunch or whatever, I just didn’t get a good feeling about this person from the minute she contacted me as a friend on Facebook. Maybe because I was from NJ or was a fan of G-burg. Well, she is moving to G-burg and I suspect she may be doing it because of the tourist trade and her Reiki business.
Thank you GoddessTiger. I am unfamiliar with Reiki and no offense to anyone else but I didn’t understand all of her site. I suppose those are real things people do?
Maybe it is just me but I think this person needs a harder look from people as I wonder if she is really what she says or just a con artist of the naïve.
I went to a medical doctor once who also practiced Reiki. It was a really interesting experience. I don't know if I've ever talked about it here or in my blog, but when I got there she didn't do the medical stuff – just the Reiki. It was a condition I'd been fighting for about a month. It was gone the next day – and during the treatment I had some kind of a huge emotional release where I laid there and sobbed. All from her waving her hands over me and nothing else. We didn't talk particularly. It was the darndest thing.
OfflineI went to a medical doctor once who also practiced Reiki. It was a really interesting experience. I don't know if I've ever talked about it here or in my blog, but when I got there she didn't do the medical stuff – just the Reiki. It was a condition I'd been fighting for about a month. It was gone the next day – and during the treatment I had some kind of a huge emotional release where I laid there and sobbed. All from her waving her hands over me and nothing else. We didn't talk particularly. It was the darndest thing.
that's pretty amazing. i was in touch with a few reiki practitioners during cait's illness, all over the net. one in particular would suggest things to make cait more comfortable during hard times in hospital when she just wouldn't thrive even after the physical problem seemed to be solved. and they seemed to help. but she never made claims of curing the leukemia as 1 or 2 others did. i appreciated that and found myself more open because of her honesty and genuine concern.
btw: i still want to know what an 'intuitive counselor' is.
"We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of dreams." - Willy Wonka (Gene Wilder)
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btw: i still want to know what an 'intuitive counselor' is.
I wonder if it is like a Medical Intuitive (like Carolyn Myss)? Medical intuitives sort of intuit what's going on in the body – and they also make the mind connection to it – like what could be causing an illness emotionally since in some cases there does seem to be a body/mind connection for illness. Certainly in the case I described above that was so.
OfflineI dont think this person will be doing this anytime soon on facebook, I have gotten a few PMs from her and I dont even know her of her distress.
I see this now and then especially by quazi Mediums. I had one that was upset because of the title Ghost Hunter claiming that Ghosts cannot be hunted because they cannot be seen. She claimed she knew this to be a fact first hand.
When I explained that Hunt merely means to SEEK or SEARCH for something she backed off her rant.
OfflineI dont think this person will be doing this anytime soon on facebook, I have gotten a few PMs from her and I dont even know her of her distress.
I see this now and then especially by quazi Mediums. I had one that was upset because of the title Ghost Hunter claiming that Ghosts cannot be hunted because they cannot be seen. She claimed she knew this to be a fact first hand.
When I explained that Hunt merely means to SEEK or SEARCH for something she backed off her rant.
Oh boy, you would think the word hunter would be enough description for her. /wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />
OfflineI appreciate everyone’s input and honesty. Which is the reason I posted it here.
Call it intuition, hunch or whatever, I just didn’t get a good feeling about this person from the minute she contacted me as a friend on Facebook. Maybe because I was from NJ or was a fan of G-burg. Well, she is moving to G-burg and I suspect she may be doing it because of the tourist trade and her Reiki business.
Thank you GoddessTiger. I am unfamiliar with Reiki and no offense to anyone else but I didn’t understand all of her site. I suppose those are real things people do?
Maybe it is just me but I think this person needs a harder look from people as I wonder if she is really what she says or just a con artist of the naïve.
She is MOVING here? Oh brother. Good luck.
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