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Where there's a dead body, there's science!
December 19, 2009
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You can bury cremains. Then have a headstone and the total cemetery experience.

This thread isn't really about donating JUST your organs. It's about total body donation.

For those that said they are organ donors, after they harvest what they can, would you be okay with shipping the rest of your body off to a donation center?

No, I think I'd like the rest of me to be buried.

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December 19, 2009
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In most cases, no. However, there are some places that will give you some options and let you choose from there. I suppose that nothing would be completely guaranteed, but you would get a general idea about what might happen.

Also, there are some places that specifically let you tell them what NOT to do with your body.

haha yeah, but you're dead, who's going to be there to stop them?

December 19, 2009
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haha yeah, but you're dead, who's going to be there to stop them?

True, I suppose. Although there would be a certain amount of family involvement there. They have to call the place for the pick-up. I think places like this would adhere to what you and they agreed to, the potential for lawsuits if the family found out would be staggering.

Also, really, you'd be dead, would it really matter what was going to happen to the chunky leftovers?

Imagine there's no heaven, it's easy if you try.



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That which is unchallenged and exercised as habit rapidly becomes ritual.

When this occurs, dissent becomes an object of surprise, if not resentment.



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December 19, 2009
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What do they do to them Gene?

Dress them up in pretty hats and have a tea party?

Well, that's what I would do.

December 19, 2009
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You can bury cremains. Then have a headstone and the total cemetery experience.

This thread isn't really about donating JUST your organs. It's about total body donation.

For those that said they are organ donors, after they harvest what they can, would you be okay with shipping the rest of your body off to a donation center?

I'm an organ donor, have been for a long time.

By now at my age not sure if anyone would want my organs. /laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wacko:' />

I would not have a problem with a donation center. I think my family would not allow it, though.

Does it say any thing about family members of the deceased being able to stop body donation?

Just curious, thanks.

December 19, 2009
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i have 'donor' checked on my drivers license but i had hepatitis as a kid and i know that can cause problems years after. i would not do total body donation. i have spent enuff of my life feeling like a crash dummy.

i made sure they left cait alone completely. they'd had enuff time to experiment on her alive and the gods help them if they touched her afterwards. cait's ashes are here at home in her 'treasures' cabinet. when i die i want my ashes to be mixed with hers; then i don't care what happens to them.

i was disgusted by the exhibition that was allowed to tour here from china. NONE of those 'participating' had a word in whether this is what they wanted done to their remains. i found nothing artistic or educational in the exhibit, just a morbid fascination that was worthy of a freak show.

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December 19, 2009
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I'm an organ donor, have been for a long time.

By now at my age not sure if anyone would want my organs. /laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' />

I would not have a problem with a donation center. I think my family would not allow it, though.

Does it say any thing about family members of the deceased being able to stop body donation?

Just curious, thanks.

I'm not 100% sure, but I think even if you signed papers to consent to body donation, your next of kin would have actual say over what happens to your body. Even then, if your family member didn't want to do it, all they would have to do is not call the center for the body pick-up. Then it would be too late and your family could proceed as usual with funeral arrangements.

I'll have to look into that to be completely sure though.

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That which is unchallenged and exercised as habit rapidly becomes ritual.

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December 20, 2009
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Dress them up in pretty hats and have a tea party?

Well, that's what I would do.

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December 20, 2009
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I'm not 100% sure, but I think even if you signed papers to consent to body donation, your next of kin would have actual say over what happens to your body. Even then, if your family member didn't want to do it, all they would have to do is not call the center for the body pick-up. Then it would be too late and your family could proceed as usual with funeral arrangements.

I'll have to look into that to be completely sure though.

Thanks BA, that's sort of what I thought.

I noticed on the Body Worlds site, you pay for your body to be transported there.

Lots to consider in doing this.

Interesting topic.

December 20, 2009
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Thanks BA, that's sort of what I thought.

I noticed on the Body Worlds site, you pay for your body to be transported there.

Lots to consider in doing this.

Interesting topic.

Not all agencies are like that though, where you have to pay for the shiping. It mostly depends on where you are located in relation to the agency.

Most of these places will also ship the cremains back to your family free of charge.

Imagine there's no heaven, it's easy if you try.



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That which is unchallenged and exercised as habit rapidly becomes ritual.

When this occurs, dissent becomes an object of surprise, if not resentment.



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December 20, 2009
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There's a book out about cryogenics and some of the shenanigans that goes on there. Any fan of Ted Williams should check it out because it deals specifically w/the debacle surrounding his death and preservation (and i use that term loosely). Frozen by Larry Johnson, it's frightening!

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December 20, 2009
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There's a book out about cryogenics and some of the shenanigans that goes on there. Any fan of Ted Williams should check it out because it deals specifically w/the debacle surrounding his death and preservation (and i use that term loosely). Frozen by Larry Johnson, it's frightening!

I was able to tour and interview the managers of a Cryonics agency in Arizona about a year and a half ago. It is rare that they let reporters into their facility, but I was writing for Engineering and Technology magazine, and they allowed me full access to their facilities and staff. It was fascinating to say the least.

If anyone is interested in reading my article on Cryonics, click here: http://kn.theiet.org/magazine/…..sues/0819/…ut-deadline.cfm

Make sure to check out the Myths surrounding cryonics on the right side of the article.

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December 20, 2009
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I was able to tour and interview the managers of a Cryonics agency in Arizona about a year and a half ago. It is rare that they let reporters into their facility, but I was writing for Engineering and Technology magazine, and they allowed me full access to their facilities and staff. It was fascinating to say the least.

If anyone is interested in reading my article on Cryonics, click here: http://kn.theiet.org/magazine/…..sues/0819/…ut-deadline.cfm

Make sure to check out the Myths surrounding cryonics on the right side of the article.

Very interesting article Cheryl.

“Cryonics is a medical procedure, a radical form of first-aid, and is no more an affront to religion than a heart transplant,”

I like it.

“If sceptics don’t want to pursue this area, that’s fine, but I ask them not to interfere with my own efforts to save the lives of myself and the people I love,”

Again, I like it.

This was under the "myths" section:

The purpose of cryonics is to intercept and stop the dying process within the window of time that it may be reversible in the future. The first few minutes of clinical death are certainly reversible, even today. There are good reasons to believe that this window will extend further in the future. That is why cryonics is sometimes implemented even long after the heart stops. Cryonics is not a belief that the dead can be revived. Cryonics is a belief that no one is really dead until their mind is destroyed, and that low temperatures have the potential to prevent this destruction.

The question here is when does the mind become destroyed? Is this referring to complete destruction, such as cremation, or destruction, as in all electrical activity has ceased? Really though, regardless of the answer to this question, it will remain, I believe, one of those controversial subjects because the death point of the mind is so questionable.

Imagine there's no heaven, it's easy if you try.



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That which is unchallenged and exercised as habit rapidly becomes ritual.

When this occurs, dissent becomes an object of surprise, if not resentment.



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December 21, 2009
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The guy who wrote frozen used to be an executive with the cryogenics firm involved w/Ted.

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December 21, 2009
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Thank Born!

Monk … yes, Johnson used to be an employee at Alcor, the cryonics agency I toured and wrote about.

For the record, Alcor denies any mismanagement of Ted Williams' cryopreservation.

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December 21, 2009
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Dress them up in pretty hats and have a tea party?

Well, that's what I would do.

Yeah……..thats it…..right. /wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

December 21, 2009
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What do they do to them Gene?

Well, for the most part, everyone has their turn with them….the dental students play with the teeth, then different medical students do their thing, and the cadaver just gets funneled down the line for each department to practice on. Most of the cadavers we worked on in college for embalming were unclaimed….meaning these were homeless people or people whose families did not want to claim their bodies due to countless reasons.

December 21, 2009
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Well, for the most part, everyone has their turn with them….the dental students play with the teeth, then different medical students do their thing, and the cadaver just gets funneled down the line for each department to practice on. Most of the cadavers we worked on in college for embalming were unclaimed….meaning these were homeless people or people whose families did not want to claim their bodies due to countless reasons.

All true, but, for me, I'm dead, I don't care anymore.

The people learning from doing these things will be getting much more from the experience than my body will by rotting in the ground.

Imagine if donations, organ or otherwise, never took place. We'd still be doing guess work with a lot of the functions of the body.

All in all, it's for the greater good of the human species if we can learn from our dead, not just let them rot away or sit on a mantle place. IMO

Imagine there's no heaven, it's easy if you try.



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That which is unchallenged and exercised as habit rapidly becomes ritual.

When this occurs, dissent becomes an object of surprise, if not resentment.



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December 21, 2009
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Several months ago, after reading Stiff by Mary Roach, I got very curious about donating my body to science. I sent away for an information packet about it, and boy is it complicated!

Now I'm curious about the general consensus about the topic.

Would you ever donate your body to science? Moreover, if you did donate your body, would there be something that you didn't want them to do with your body? Some bodies are used as crash test dummies, some are farmed out for pieces for plastic surgery students to practice on. There is also a clause that would make it possible for your family to know exactly where your body went and what it was used for. If a family member donated, would you want to know what was done with them?

After they do with you whatever it is they are going to do with you, they cremate the rest and send it back to your family.

If you wouldn't donate your body, why? Are there religious reasons? Personal ones? Familial ones?

As I said, pure curiosity here. I'd love your opinions and thoughts on the subject.

To me when you die you are just entering the next phase, and I don't mean spiritually. That's a topic for another debate. (only don't let it get too rowdy around here!! lol lol) You can spend your next phase all by yourself in a dark box underneath a bit of earth, you can always skip the phase all together and be cremated, or you can make yourself more useful than you probably were in life by donating your body. You get to go to all different places and do all sorts of new and interesting things. I'd do it for sure. It's sort of like "Join The Navy And See The World"!!

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December 21, 2009
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All true, but, for me, I'm dead, I don't care anymore.

The people learning from doing these things will be getting much more from the experience than my body will by rotting in the ground.

Imagine if donations, organ or otherwise, never took place. We'd still be doing guess work with a lot of the functions of the body.

All in all, it's for the greater good of the human species if we can learn from our dead, not just let them rot away or sit on a mantle place. IMO

most of what we do with a loved one's remains has more to do with our needs than the world's.

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