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OfflineFor those who believe in ghosts, do you think they can sense the passage of time?
In the last epi of GHI one of the investigators asked the spirit how long they had been there.
That got me thinking about this topic. I dont think ghosts would have a sense of time, or if
they did that they would lose track of it. Heck, when I'm on summer vacation I lose track of
the date and even what day of the week it is sometimes /laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> . I dont see how a ghost could
know how long they had been dead. Especially if they are in a location with no calendar or
clock.
I'm curious to other people's thoughts on this…
OfflineFor those who believe in ghosts, do you think they can sense the passage of time?
In the last epi of GHI one of the investigators asked the spirit how long they had been there.
That got me thinking about this topic. I dont think ghosts would have a sense of time, or if
they did that they would lose track of it. Heck, when I'm on summer vacation I lose track of
the date and even what day of the week it is sometimes
/laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> . I dont see how a ghost could
know how long they had been dead. Especially if they are in a location with no calendar or
clock.
I'm curious to other people's thoughts on this…
I think that time runs differently elsewhere than here (if there is an afterlife). That being said, I would think that a spirit that was stuck here would be stuck with our time constraints.
Or not. I base this on absolutely nothing.
OfflineI think that time runs differently elsewhere than here (if there is an afterlife). That being said, I would think that a spirit that was stuck here would be stuck with our time constraints.
Or not. I base this on absolutely nothing.
This is an awesome question to tackle! I always wondered if that is why some EVPs
are so abrupt and higher pitched? Parrallel but in a different speed, I bet that would make us
appear as weird to them as they appear to us! /huh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':(' />
OfflineI think that if spirits are trapped here that they'd have a sense of time – so long as it isn't a haunt that is just re-enacting its own moments in life. Energy – all energy in our…realm or whatever you'd like to call it abides by time. If ghosts are indeed just energy like everything else in our universe, then they should have a sense of time. Whether they track time efficiently I'd assume would be up to the individual spirit.
On the other hand you could argue that if a spirit truely dissipates and only comes out when drawing enough energy to "become intelligent" then that would probably be the only instance when time can be discerned. I can't really believe that myself, because it doesn't make any logical sense to me. Some persisant intelligence from somewhere must always be "around" somehow if the ghost is indeed haunting something. Energy never just goes away, but is converted, so if the energy is still haunting a place, then it must always be there in some capacity, right?
Anyway, I guess I'm rambling on.
OfflineHeidi was there an EVP response to that question? Does anyone know of an EVP ever correlating any time reference questions? I seem to remember a GH episode in a big train station where J and G asked a woman what year it was and the answer was sometime in the 40's? I may have it all messed up but I'm sure someone will remember the exact EMF session I am referring to? /blink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':(' />
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OfflineI wonder if ghosts are interdimensional.
Carolyn had a good point about why EVPs sound so weird that could be quite plausible. She thinks it is because they don't have vocal cords and are just figuring out this whole making a sound by psychokinetically affecting electronic media.
Okay – actually the above is an extrapolation of something Carolyn said and something Loyd Auerbach said.
OfflineI wonder if ghosts are interdimensional.
Carolyn had a good point about why EVPs sound so weird that could be quite plausible. She thinks it is because they don't have vocal cords and are just figuring out this whole making a sound by psychokinetically affecting electronic media.
Okay – actually the above is an extrapolation of something Carolyn said and something Loyd Auerbach said.
LOL! Yes, Karen. I'm sure Loyd contributed the "making a sound by psychokinetically affecting electronic media" part.
Spirits are without their physical body and vocal chords. They have to learn to speak in spirit. When I'm visiting the boys on the battlefield, I often come across a spirit who is so excited to be able to communicate with me that, at first, he is screaming at the top of his lungs and/or his words are garbled. When that happens, I explain to him that he needs to calm down and to try to speak slowly.
Can you imagine being stuck, watching people day by day, trying to communicate and being ignored? Then, one day, someone comes along with a "little silver box" asking you to speak with them, you hear them playing other spirits speaking on their "little silver box" and you realize, finally, someone can hear you? That is why, I believe, they are so excited and are screaming.
It usually takes some time, but they do stop screaming and try to speak coherently. They are not always successful, but I keep going back to that same location to communicate with that same spirit. I think "they have to practice this." Then, of course, there are others on the battlefield that have no problem whatsoever speaking clearly.
Both my spirit mentors explained to me that there is no time for spirits. They exist in the same space as us, but in a higher dimension and vibration.
When I started working at the hotel, almost three years ago, I was told that the staff often heard the footsteps of someone walking around in the attic at all times of the day and night. Well, it wasn't long before I, too, heard those footsteps. Of course, I'm never without my digital recorder, so one early morning when I heard those steps, I pulled it out. I explained to my friend in the attic what my silver box was and that he could talk to me and I would hear him with it. I recorded my name and the spirit screaming at me for help. (The first time that happened on the battlefield, it broke my heart. I'm not immune to it now, but I try to put that aside and help.) I worked for months with this spirit. It was always along the same lines. "Carolyn, please help me, I'm lost and I want to go home." I even lent my digital recorder to Courtney, a co-worker. He called her by name and asked her for help as well.
One night, a guest came in for coffee and came up to the front desk. Out of the blue, she told me that the Confederate soldier who walks around in the attic is from Mississippi, he was gut shot, left to die and that he was upset because he knew he was dead and wasn't going to make it home for his sister's wedding. He promised her, she said. (The time thing here.) She said to tell him that I knew that now and keep working with him, that he will go to the light and be reunited with his family and friends. To say I was floored wouldn't cover it. (The 2nd and 42nd Miss. fought in the Railroad Cut behind the hotel on Day One of the battle.)
Courtney and I doubled out efforts. It wasn't long before those footsteps stopped and I no longer was given any EVPs from that anguished, sad voice. I sincerely believe he finally went to the light and is now reunited with his family and his comrades. It took over a year, but was well worth it.
I have heard footsteps in the attic only two times since then, but the feel is different. Also, our previous attic occupant would speak via the digital recorder every single time either I or Courtney turned it on. This guy is NOT a talker!
Another one of my rambling responses, but I just wanted to share what I have experienced on this topic.
Carolyn
OfflineBoth my spirit mentors explained to me that there is no time for spirits. They exist in the same space as us, but in a higher dimension and vibration.
Theoretical Quatum Mechanics aside, I get this, but as far as I can fathom is that our timeline is our timeline and can not be moved about in, except for its own perpetual motion. Otherwise, there would be no actual time. Its sort of paradoxial to think that time couldn't exist for anything attached to this plane of existance at all. The mere fact that you ask questions and that it isn't answered in either the past or future, but as you have a conversation with it supports this.
However, being on a higher dimension and vibration does certainly help explain EVP's (to me). Assuming that your spirit mentor's are correct then I would have to assume that an entity's consciousness would inbetween two "planes" and thusly, time's rules are in play for them when they are doing anything "here"…if that makes sense. And of course their reality is probably totally different than our own, with only a glimpse into our's depending on the individual spirit I would think.
But this is all filled with assumptions. Obviously, this stuff isn't going to be proven anytime soon, if ever. I suppose that's why they call them Theories. /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />
OfflineTheoretical Quatum Mechanics aside, I get this, but as far as I can fathom is that our timeline is our timeline and can not be moved about in, except for its own perpetual motion. Otherwise, there would be no actual time. Its sort of paradoxial to think that time couldn't exist for anything attached to this plane of existance at all. The mere fact that you ask questions and that it isn't answered in either the past or future, but as you have a conversation with it supports this.
However, being on a higher dimension and vibration does certainly help explain EVP's (to me). Assuming that your spirit mentor's are correct then I would have to assume that an entity's consciousness would inbetween two "planes" and thusly, time's rules are in play for them when they are doing anything "here"…if that makes sense. And of course their reality is probably totally different than our own, with only a glimpse into our's depending on the individual spirit I would think.
But this is all filled with assumptions. Obviously, this stuff isn't going to be proven anytime soon, if ever. I suppose that's why they call them Theories.
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my head hurts /laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
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this is way too deep for me, so i'll just move on /wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />
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OfflineWhat is time, except a device that helps us organize our day.
I'm sure if time did not exist our bodies would still age, we would still die. It is the natural order of things, but when applied to the supernatural it falls short.
The reason spirits aren't subject to time is that they don't die. Time is an ineffective agent against the eternal.
As for vibrational rates and higher dimensions, that is what I have believed for the longest time. I began this spiritual awakening I have been on around 5 years ago. My eyes have been opened and I have learned to listen to others and what they have to say. Let me tell you, I have learned so much from discussions with Carolyn, and others. I also find it surprising how studying about one subject leads to another subject. It seems almost as if everything is related in some fashion. The paranormal is the Kevin Bacon of the supernatural world.
I wonder if ghosts are interdimensional.
Carolyn had a good point about why EVPs sound so weird that could be quite plausible. She thinks it is because they don't have vocal cords and are just figuring out this whole making a sound by psychokinetically affecting electronic media.
Okay – actually the above is an extrapolation of something Carolyn said and something Loyd Auerbach said.
The astronomer Phil Plait once suggested that an interdimensional traveller would be bound to the physics of our universe, should it survive the journey. Of course he's a skeptic, so there's that.
OfflineI will have to respectfully disagree. Time is a bit more than a device to organize our day. Time exists as the fourth dimensions, just as hieght, width, and depth make up the 3 other dimensions. It just exists as does the others. At least where we are, time must exist for our universe to exist. Otherwise, we certainly would not exist as we are now. Time in our reality is a requirement, not a notion of the human mind.
To explain why the supernatural…people may still be enternal and still have to abide by time is because regardless of what you believe we are all made up of energy and according to the Theory of Reletivity and Quantum Physics as I understand it is eternal. Simply changing state, but not disappearing.
And remember aging is a measurement of time, not the other way around. /wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />
Different vibrations would be why only "sensatives" may be able to see and hear ghostly business more than others, and being in a different dimension, than our own means that their reality is certainly different from our own. But to be able to communicate with us means that at least some part of them must be in our own reality…or dimension.
I will have to respectfully disagree. Time is a bit more than a device to organize our day. Time exists as the fourth dimensions, just as hieght, width, and depth make up the 3 other dimensions. It just exists as does the others. At least where we are, time must exist for our universe to exist. Otherwise, we certainly would not exist as we are now. Time in our reality is a requirement, not a notion of the human mind.
To explain why the supernatural…people may still be enternal and still have to abide by time is because regardless of what you believe we are all made up of energy and according to the Theory of Reletivity and Quantum Physics as I understand it is eternal. Simply changing state, but not disappearing.
And remember aging is a measurement of time, not the other way around.
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Different vibrations would be why only "sensatives" may be able to see and hear ghostly business more than others, and being in a different dimension, than our own means that their reality is certainly different from our own. But to be able to communicate with us means that at least some part of them must be in our own reality…or dimension.
Conservation of Energy allows for energy to be changed, as when a biotic entity dies and is consumed by others, thus transferring that energy. The thermal energy is absorbed similarly, unless I'm terribly misinformed. So I could see where one might argue that people are eternal, living on in the form of other biotics. Unless you're suggesting a different transferal, which I'd be extremely interested in.
OfflineConservation of Energy allows for energy to be changed, as when a biotic entity dies and is consumed by others, thus transferring that energy. The thermal energy is absorbed similarly, unless I'm terribly misinformed. So I could see where one might argue that people are eternal, living on in the form of other biotics. Unless you're suggesting a different transferal, which I'd be extremely interested in.
For energy I was simply saying that energy is never destroyed and thus eternal. For instance, when thermal energy (ie.heat) is absorbed, then whatever absorbed it becomes hotter and in order to survive, the energy is either sent off or changed into something else.
If in-fact intelligence and personality (the mind or soul) have its own special energy that doesn't just transfer into something else (ie. as dirt, worm food, whatever) and is independent of the body then this would be what we call the ghosts of the former living. As such if this is the case and they pull energy from other source (ie. heat from the environment) to do things, then this energy still is abiding by our laws and thusly, with time, must follow that as well.
For energy I was simply saying that energy is never destroyed and thus eternal. For instance, when thermal energy (ie.heat) is absorbed, then whatever absorbed it becomes hotter and in order to survive, the energy is either sent off or changed into something else.
If in-fact intelligence and personality (the mind or soul) have its own special energy that doesn't just transfer into something else (ie. as dirt, worm food, whatever) and is independent of the body then this would be what we call the ghosts of the former living. As such if this is the case and they pull energy from other source (ie. heat from the environment) to do things, then this energy still is abiding by our laws and thusly, with time, must follow that as well.
So you're saying, and correct me if I'm wrong, the soul, or whatever you might describe consciousness, remains after the physical death of a human being?
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