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        	<title>Jordan	Burnes on Ogres and Neanderthal Man?</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>You also have to look at the fact that they date the neanderthals at dying out in a certain period of time because they have not found any skeletens that have been circa&#39;d past a certain date, and it is very possible that there still are skeleteons lying around from further on in the future (or past technically) and they have just not been found. So it technically could be appropriate, I mean half the cryptids out there are supposed to be old creatueres from millions of years ago that somehow survived to this day... the giant ground sloth, loch ness monster, bigfoot even to a certain extent, the possibilities are just endless... Or hey maybe there were just ugly looking ogre&#39;s hangin around at that time lol.</p>
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        	<title>nypdretired on Ogres and Neanderthal Man?</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>.....and here it is fresh from Wikipedia:</p>
<p>	However, an analysis of a first draft of the Neanderthal genome by the same team released in May 2010 indicates that interbreeding did occur.[4][5] &#34;Those of us who live outside Africa carry a little Neanderthal DNA in us,&#34; said Pääbo, who led the study. &#34;The proportion of Neanderthal-inherited genetic material is about 1 to 4 percent. It is a small but very real proportion of ancestry in non-Africans today,&#34; says Dr. David Reich of Harvard Medical School in Boston, who worked on the study. This research compared the genome of the Neanderthals to five modern humans from China, France, sub-Saharan Africa, and Papua New Guinea. The finding is that about 1 to 4 percent of the genes of the non-Africans came from Neanderthals, compared to the baseline defined by the two Africans. This indicates a gene flow from Neanderthals to modern humans, i.e., interbreeding between the two populations. Since the three non-African genomes show a similar proportion of Neanderthal sequences, the interbreeding must have occurred early in the migration of modern humans out of Africa, perhaps in the Middle East. No evidence for gene flow in the direction from modern humans to Neanderthals was found. The latter result would not be unexpected if contact occurred between a small colonizing population of modern humans and a much larger resident population of Neanderthals. A very limited amount of interbreeding could explain the findings, if it occurred early enough in the colonization process.[4]</p>
<p>	While interbreeding is viewed as the most parsimonious interpretation of the genetic discoveries, the authors point out that they cannot conclusively rule out an alternative scenario, in which the source population of non-African modern humans was already more closely related to Neanderthals than other Africans were, due to ancient genetic divisions within Africa.[4]</p>
<p>	Among the genes shown to differ between present-day humans and Neanderthals were RPTN, SPAG17, CAN15, TTF1 and PCD16.[4]</p>
<p>	   Have a Neanderthal Ogerish Day&#33;  <img class="sfimageleft" />/laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' /></p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 15:40:46 -0700</pubDate>
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        	<title>pooperdooper on Ogres and Neanderthal Man?</title>
        	<link>http://www.paranormalunderground.net/forum/cryptozoology-and-mythical-creatures/ogres-and-neanderthal-man/page-3526/#p70518</link>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>.....and here it is fresh from Wikipedia:</p>
<p>	However, an analysis of a first draft of the Neanderthal genome by the same team released in May 2010 indicates that interbreeding did occur.[4][5] &#34;Those of us who live outside Africa carry a little Neanderthal DNA in us,&#34; said Pääbo, who led the study. &#34;The proportion of Neanderthal-inherited genetic material is about 1 to 4 percent. It is a small but very real proportion of ancestry in non-Africans today,&#34; says Dr. David Reich of Harvard Medical School in Boston, who worked on the study. This research compared the genome of the Neanderthals to five modern humans from China, France, sub-Saharan Africa, and Papua New Guinea. The finding is that about 1 to 4 percent of the genes of the non-Africans came from Neanderthals, compared to the baseline defined by the two Africans. This indicates a gene flow from Neanderthals to modern humans, i.e., interbreeding between the two populations. Since the three non-African genomes show a similar proportion of Neanderthal sequences, the interbreeding must have occurred early in the migration of modern humans out of Africa, perhaps in the Middle East. No evidence for gene flow in the direction from modern humans to Neanderthals was found. The latter result would not be unexpected if contact occurred between a small colonizing population of modern humans and a much larger resident population of Neanderthals. A very limited amount of interbreeding could explain the findings, if it occurred early enough in the colonization process.[4]</p>
<p>	While interbreeding is viewed as the most parsimonious interpretation of the genetic discoveries, the authors point out that they cannot conclusively rule out an alternative scenario, in which the source population of non-African modern humans was already more closely related to Neanderthals than other Africans were, due to ancient genetic divisions within Africa.[4]</p>
<p>	Among the genes shown to differ between present-day humans and Neanderthals were RPTN, SPAG17, CAN15, TTF1 and PCD16.[4]</p>
<p>	   Have a Neanderthal Ogerish Day&#33;  <img class="sfimageleft" />/laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /></p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 00:23:42 -0700</pubDate>
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        	<title>pooperdooper on Ogres and Neanderthal Man?</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>I have just been informed that inter-breeding between early europeans </p>
<p>	and Neanderthals has already been proven. The documented residual DNA</p>
<p>	percentage up until our present time is at 1-4%. I will find the article and and </p>
<p>	try to post it here if my 1-4% doesn&#39;t hinder my posting abilities.   <img class="sfimageleft" />/laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' /> </p>
<p>	That was a vague attempt at upsetting the Gieco Cavemen.   <img class="sfimageleft" />/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /></p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 00:12:41 -0700</pubDate>
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        	<title>Willa Taylor on Ogres and Neanderthal Man?</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>let&#39;s see, possibly the oldest stone bridge is located in Greece, known as the Mycenaean Arkadiko bridge. It dates to about 1300BC. The first Neanderthals started 350,000 years ago, and went as late as 24,000 years ago. </p>
<p>	So it doesn&#39;t seem likely. Although I couldn&#39;t find a year on wood or possibly mud bridges. But it is possible that maybe some people found neanderthal skeletons under the site of constructed bridges. </p>
<p>	Good discussion by the way.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 05:18:30 -0700</pubDate>
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        	<title>pooperdooper on Ogres and Neanderthal Man?</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Neanderthal might be a stretch but after looking at timelines a little closer the remnants of Hiedlberg man</p>
<p>	could have been around well after the start of written history. I don&#39;t have a clue for the timeline of when the first primitive bridges would have been erected but I&#39;d venture a guess that it wasn&#39;t long after the advent of the farming non-nomadic community in Europe. Any paleontologist or archaeologists can jump in here at any time and shed some light on this for me, we or us. Nice Homo-Erectus there MONK &#33; I wonder if that feller ever got over his outrage at being stereotyped as mildly mentally disabled.  <img class="sfimageleft" />/laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='<img class="spSmiley" src="http://www.paranormalunderground.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif" title="Laugh" alt="Laugh" />' /></p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2010 13:14:15 -0700</pubDate>
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        	<title>norcalmonkey on Ogres and Neanderthal Man?</title>
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        	        	<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 22:03:34 -0700</pubDate>
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        	<title>nypdretired on Ogres and Neanderthal Man?</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>It would make sense given the look of the Neanderthals. But I&#39;m not sure if they were still around by the time Britons had the ability to make stone bridges. The time line would be off. Could the primative rememberances by homo sapiens of the Neanderthals have carried down through the generations as a folktale? I would say so. Or Ogres could just have been a story told along hte lines of a knight slaying a dragon to enhance his own daring adventures.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 22:26:51 -0700</pubDate>
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        	<title>pooperdooper on Ogres and Neanderthal Man?</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>I was just pondering the possibility that Neanderthal man could have been the Ogres of lore referred</p>
<p>	to by ancient Britton and older authors. Could the fear and loathing of these creatures aided in their extinction?</p>
<p>	It seems more than coincidence that both Ogres and Neanderthals prefered caves much as a stone bridge would appear to be  cave. It seems as though the overlap in timelines between Homo Sapiens and Neanderthals might support this idea.The physical description from early Britton writings are not very far off in similairity. An archaeologist would probably have a better take on this than anyone. If the subject has been written about please share any information that may be at hand. Any other ideas out there?</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jun 2010 23:14:37 -0700</pubDate>
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