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Bigfoot on Thermal Cam
November 4, 2010
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Looks very Bigfoot-like to me!

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November 4, 2010
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He's right about the heat signature, a very bulky costume or fat suit would absorb the heat slowly, as in long term thermal capacitance. It would not appear that hot, so it looks like it is an actual person-type thingie lol..





November 5, 2010
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Looks like many of the other videos I have seen. Can't really tell what it is. I do wonder why his camera is set up so far away from where the candy bar was placed. Why only one camera on the spot too? The plastic tub wasn't a smart idea the way it was set up either? For a guy that supposedly investigated fraud he didn't do much to safeguard against things that might imply it.

Another thing, since whatever it was obviously liked the candy, I would think putting out more candy & cameras over an extended period of time in and around that same area since it worked once might get you a better photo. Bottom line is that it's a nice video but tells us nothing. Still just raises more questions than answers IMO. Wish I had the time and money to look for BF.

November 5, 2010
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Looks like many of the other videos I have seen. Can't really tell what it is. I do wonder why his camera is set up so far away from where the candy bar was placed. Why only one camera on the spot too? The plastic tub wasn't a smart idea the way it was set up either? For a guy that supposedly investigated fraud he didn't do much to safeguard against things that might imply it.

Another thing, since whatever it was obviously liked the candy, I would think putting out more candy & cameras over an extended period of time in and around that same area since it worked once might get you a better photo. Bottom line is that it's a nice video but tells us nothing. Still just raises more questions than answers IMO. Wish I had the time and money to look for BF.

You raise some good questions, that's for sure.

November 5, 2010
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You raise some good questions, that's for sure.

Some people take me the wrong way sometimes.

I truly feel it is possible for this type creature to exist but I am skeptical on the methods used to try and locate it but not skeptical about the creature itself.

I read and watch the shows like everyone but can't for the life of me understand why people are using conventional hunting methods for known species when looking for an unknown species.

I just don't feel people are using their abilities and the technology available to them in the correct ways and by not doing so it seems like a waste of time.

November 5, 2010
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Some people take me the wrong way sometimes.

I truly feel it is possible for this type creature to exist but I am skeptical on the methods used to try and locate it but not skeptical about the creature itself.

I read and watch the shows like everyone but can't for the life of me understand why people are using conventional hunting methods for known species when looking for an unknown species.

I just don't feel people are using their abilities and the technology available to them in the correct ways and by not doing so it seems like a waste of time.

I saw this video the other day, different site. There appears to be two seperate thermal iimages.

This captured my imagination, wondered why the video was on the news over year after it was filmed. Also, why was the camera out of focus, considering how much experience this guy has.

He has a web site bushloper.net you pay $2 for a download of the video, hmm. Info about him and video.

How would an unkown creature know the smell of a candy bar, to know it's edible.

I'm still curious.

November 5, 2010
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I saw this video the other day, different site. There appears to be two seperate thermal iimages.

This captured my imagination, wondered why the video was on the news over year after it was filmed. Also, why was the camera out of focus, considering how much experience this guy has.

He has a web site bushloper.net you pay $2 for a download of the video, hmm. Info about him and video.

How would an unkown creature know the smell of a candy bar, to know it's edible.

I'm still curious.

I too have a problem with the thermal image and his explanation. I have seen many thermal images of all kinds of people and animals. In all living things I have seen on thermal they all have different heat signatures on different parts of the body. This was all one bright white signature. I would think being covered with hair that other parts would show up differently.

As far as the candy. Well, I could understand it maybe since other animals will take candy or other human foods and eat them if found. All kinds of animals rummage through human trash.

I wonder though why, as with most BF footage, it is so short. If it was a stationary camera then it should show from the time it came to the time it left. If he was taking the video then why not try to get closer or follow it.

Also, why put the top on the tub and then put the food on top of that. Why would BF take the top off when easy pickings were right on top. I mean how many BF's know what a rubbermaid tub is or that it has a top? Probably should have put the food in the tub with the camera. Then he would have gotten the photo when it went for the food. Better yet why not put candy with the trap cameras?

I better stop. LOL The more I look at it and think about it. It seems more like a hoax than a sighting.

November 5, 2010
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Just asked cryptozoologist Ken Gerhard about this on the show tonight. He feels it warrants more research, but that it may be credible.

November 5, 2010
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Just asked cryptozoologist Ken Gerhard about this on the show tonight. He feels it warrants more research, but that it may be credible.

I was listening in to Ken's part. He may be right but I just don't see it. I personally would need more than what that guy presented to look into it seriously.

November 5, 2010
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Maybe every BF hunter will converge on the site, cameras & candy in hand and something will be confirmed /unsure.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />

I might be lying, but I'm telling the truth





November 5, 2010
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Maybe every BF hunter will converge on the site, cameras & candy in hand and something will be confirmed /unsure.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='B)' />

Ya see… Now that is a smart idea.

However, it seems that these people never seem to want to share their locations or anything with others but their videos.

November 5, 2010
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Several things from the footage…

The core was a Raytheon-build BST (Barium Strontium Titanate) core at 320x240 resoultion. This is a common high resolution core that is repackaged and resold through various TIC makers (Bullard, ISI, Scott, Eagle, ATN, Draeger, L3, etc). That is very good resolution, more than enough to see inconsistencies with heat distrubution. Lesser resolution detectors tend to take out the "depth" of a heat target, and can make target identification ambiguous, but since the target in this video has a uniformly distributed heat pattern, I concede that it is not a costume of some sort.

Since it is a Raytheon BST core, there will be the tell-tale halo effect and boundaries between warmer heat sources and cooler ones. This is a part of the palette display algorithm used to accentuate heat targets against their background. It is an aid in law enforcement, surveillance, and fire applications as it ensures that the target is readily visible and doesn't blend with the background if there is not a lot of Δ-T between the target and environment. This is less helpful for reserch and more of a boon for surveillance. The main areas I noticed where there would be lack of detail on the target were the areas where the "halo effect" was appearing.

I do believe the thermal video is authentic in that it is either a large, naked man or an actual squatch-like creature. The distinction cannot be made in the video, and honestly, we only have his word about scale and nothing in the video shows size or can give much of an example of scale. Thermal is great, but thermal evidence alone won't do it, we need visual. I liked his game cam in the goodie bin idea. Smart thinking…

regards,

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November 5, 2010
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Several things from the footage…

The core was a Raytheon-build BST (Barium Strontium Titanate) core at 320x240 resoultion. This is a common high resolution core that is repackaged and resold through various TIC makers (Bullard, ISI, Scott, Eagle, ATN, Draeger, L3, etc). That is very good resolution, more than enough to see inconsistencies with heat distrubution. Lesser resolution detectors tend to take out the "depth" of a heat target, and can make target identification ambiguous, but since the target in this video has a uniformly distributed heat pattern, I concede that it is not a costume of some sort.

Since it is a Raytheon BST core, there will be the tell-tale halo effect and boundaries between warmer heat sources and cooler ones. This is a part of the palette display algorithm used to accentuate heat targets against their background. It is an aid in law enforcement, surveillance, and fire applications as it ensures that the target is readily visible and doesn't blend with the background if there is not a lot of Δ-T between the target and environment. This is less helpful for reserch and more of a boon for surveillance. The main areas I noticed where there would be lack of detail on the target were the areas where the "halo effect" was appearing.

I do believe the thermal video is authentic in that it is either a large, naked man or an actual squatch-like creature. The distinction cannot be made in the video, and honestly, we only have his word about scale and nothing in the video shows size or can give much of an example of scale. Thermal is great, but thermal evidence alone won't do it, we need visual. I liked his game cam in the goodie bin idea. Smart thinking…

regards,

Andy

I appreciate the technical explanation but for those of us that don't understand the terminology it sounds like a foriegn language. So it doesn't really explain unless you can dumb it down for me.

I have no experience with thermal imaging except for what I see on the internet and TV. So for me it still looks like an old B&W night vision video and not thermal. I was just browsing to see a similar thermal photo but even the B&W ones on the net show different signatures for different parts of a body and not washed figures like in his video.

November 5, 2010
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Why Kim, I never thought I would ever need to "dumb" anything down for you, lol. But I will do what I can…

Detector resolution is key for producing depth and contrast within a heat target (hot spots, veins, eyeball heat, cooling at extremties, circulatory issues, etc). This camera, whatever it is, has the telltale image of a Raytheon BST thermal core (halo effect at large temp. differential boundaries) so I can assume that it is the most common flavor of that core, 320x240 resolution. Such resolution should easily show heat differentials on the target if is is a costume or something similar, but it doesn't. It shows uniform heat distribution (target was likely naked or not wearing a shirt at least). Problem I have, as I believe was stated above, is that hairy animals are easy to identify at the range seen there, and the fur can block radiated heat from the body making a mottled appearance.

There are many factors that determine how a thermal image looks and how much detail is displayed. Palette, temp. span, etc can all affect how the target looks on thermal.

Basically, since I know this was taken with an imager of sufficient resolution to distinguish a costume, and to some degree can estimate what that would look like on thermal based on my experience, I believe the thermal target to be a genuine living…thing, likely a person, but who knows..

Thermal is a cool locator, but we need some visual light photos videos at close range.





November 5, 2010
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I can't say I believe it's Bigfoot…I grew up around that area of North Carolina…there's some bears, but I had never heard of a bigfoot sighting.

"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."


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November 5, 2010
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Why Kim, I never thought I would ever need to "dumb" anything down for you, lol. But I will do what I can…

Problem I have, is that hairy animals are easy to identify at the range seen there, and the fur can block radiated heat from the body making a mottled appearance.

There are many factors that determine how a thermal image looks and how much detail is displayed. Palette, temp. span, etc can all affect how the target looks on thermal.

Thermal is a cool locator, but we need some visual light photos videos at close range.

I hate to have to admit that I am not as smart as I think I am. LOL…

I understand that different imagers display differently depending on the settings. I misunderstood your first comment before. My problem was also that it was a smooth un-mottled appearance yet other things around it do show it.

I guess I just forgot that it is all thermal heat. We just label it hot and cold when it is just the lack of thermal heat.

So, whatever it is, at least for me it is still suspect and for other reasons too.

November 5, 2010
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lol I have that problem all the time. It appears I was wrong in my assumptions on visual distinction, someone has already taken the time to do tests for us (same raytheon thermal core, but this one is with amorphous sillicon, no halo effect as noticeable as with the earler gen. raytheon BST cores)…

Man in plain clothes, at distance in woods. Last half of vid in a gorilla suit..

as you can see, you still have pretty equal thermal distribution in the clothes with the exception of the shirtline. Bummer, as I didn't think this would be the case. Gorilla suit, while obvious to a trained eye, still exhibits relatively even distribution of heat.

and just for reference, this guy was kind enough to thermal image some chimps a close range in this clip..

obviously the fur does have a good heat attenuating quality (I have heard rumors that under the right circumstances, a polar bear's fur can cloak its heat signature).

I shall stop making such broad assumptions about other brand imagers, lol. FLIR and Ratheon cores display differently, I shall stick to assumptions based on FLIR cores as that is what my experience is based off of..

best regards,

Andy





November 5, 2010
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lol I have that problem all the time. It appears I was wrong in my assumptions on visual distinction, someone has already taken the time to do tests for us (same raytheon thermal core, but this one is with amorphous sillicon, no halo effect as noticeable as with the earler gen. raytheon BST cores)…

Man in plain clothes, at distance in woods. Last half of vid in a gorilla suit..

as you can see, you still have pretty equal thermal distribution in the clothes with the exception of the shirtline. Bummer, as I didn't think this would be the case. Gorilla suit, while obvious to a trained eye, still exhibits relatively even distribution of heat.

and just for reference, this guy was kind enough to thermal image some chimps a close range in this clip..

obviously the fur does have a good heat attenuating quality (I have heard rumors that under the right circumstances, a polar bear's fur can cloak its heat signature).

I shall stop making such broad assumptions about other brand imagers, lol. FLIR and Ratheon cores display differently, I shall stick to assumptions based on FLIR cores as that is what my experience is based off of..

best regards,

Andy

Thanks for all the hard work looking this stuff up.

November 7, 2010
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It sure does look like a bear to me — why no mention of that in the report? That should be the number one possibility to eliminate……. They stand on the hind legs and sway around to sniff the air and use their front paws as hands — exactly what it would do before snatching a candy bar with human smell on it……

I also like his answer as to why all the game cams have come up with nothing —- 1. Bigfoot is so smart it knows where the cameras are and how to avoid them (I bet they have pics of people walking in the woods) -- Or -- 2. Bigfoot can sense the EMF emitted by the cameras, so it stays away…..Really????

There is one other possibility that is much, much, more likely —-- Bigfoot does not exist………

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