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After you finish beating your head against the nearest brick wall, please remind yourself that you started this…
The universe has an inherent "granularity", that being the smallest level of detail that exists. As you can probably guess, it's a very big number (as in 1 followed by a hundred zeros just in the trunk of your car). Multiply that by a universe at least 46 billion light-years across, times 6 trillion miles per light-year, carry the one… There aren't enough exponents to do that number justice. Now if each of those tiny bits can be empty or filled with something (an extremely simple question to ask), the number of possible parallel universes would be that humongous number squared. Throw in the possibility of all the known particles that each location could contain, and it just gets ludicrous. Yes, we're talking about the biggest number imaginable to the 12th power. That's a heck of a lot of parallel universes for my taste.
When scientists observe a function that sometimes occurs, they assign it a mathematical probability. For example, when an atom of Uranium-235 (92 protons and 142 neutrons) absorbs a free neutron to become U-236, there is a well-established 86% probability that it will fission into 2-3 smaller atoms and release a crapload of energy in the process. This is proven enough to design reactors and atomic bombs (do not try this at home!). If there's a 14% chance that the Uranium won't fission, does that imply that the Uranium gets a choice in the matter? Don't think so. What it means is that if you know the exact conditions, like the physical arrangement of the protons and neutrons clumped together in the nucleus, and exactly where the free neutron attaches, you would be able to know with much more certainty whether the atom will split or not. The same could be said for all those neurons and synaptic junctions in our brains. They do what they do, but the level of understanding that would define our choices is far beyond us.
Then there's the issue of folded dimensions, but you've probably suffered enough already, and I'm writing a column on it for the E-mag next month. Peace.
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But again….would it explain the reason so many things seem to be repeating themselves, or is it something else entirely…
And I'd ask you about String Theory, except my cat took the string, and now I'd imagine has destroyed several universes. Silly kitty! /laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
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But again….would it explain the reason so many things seem to be repeating themselves, or is it something else entirely…
And I'd ask you about String Theory, except my cat took the string, and now I'd imagine has destroyed several universes. Silly kitty!
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Doesn't history repeat itself, good or bad? I hate to think what's coming in the future.
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Maybe. That's just one theory. Theoretical physicists around the world are all trying to come up with a grand unified theory that explains…. well…. everything. String theory seemed promising at first but the math kinda breaks down in really unfortunate ways. Either the equations can't work or they're missing something critical. There are several multiverse theories floating around. Remember that show "Sliders"? That's one of the theories.
All in all the universe as we can observe it functions barely or not at all (properly) on a subatomic level. Quantum Entanglement, or as Einstein put it – Spooky Action at a Distance, violates all known physical laws…. but there it is. We can see it. We can demonstrate it. Clearly we're missing something critical. Perhaps a better understanding will shed light on some paranormal "happenings". Perhaps not.
String theory, multi-verse theory, et al are hardly robust scientifically. Compared to the germ theory of disease, gravitation, evolution . . . Certainly the former has some traction, but not nearly enough to offer apology for "paranormal" events.
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String theory, multi-verse theory, et al are hardly robust scientifically. Compared to the germ theory of disease, gravitation, evolution . . . Certainly the former has some traction, but not nearly enough to offer apology for "paranormal" events.
Empirically they're all worth about the same…. nothing. Since all are mathematical constructs their value lies only in their ability to predict outcomes. The Grand Unified Theory is still a pipe dream.
However certain elements of known phenomena give us a hint that the universe is a far stranger place than we can currently imagine. Quantum Entanglement by itself could by definition be considered "paranormal". Why? We can see it but it lies outside our understanding of the basic principles of how we *think* the universe is supposed to work. Of course…. 200 years ago a set of walkie talkies would've been considered paranormal for the very same reason.
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Empirically they're all worth about the same…. nothing. Since all are mathematical constructs their value lies only in their ability to predict outcomes. The Grand Unified Theory is still a pipe dream.
However certain elements of known phenomena give us a hint that the universe is a far stranger place than we can currently imagine. Quantum Entanglement by itself could by definition be considered "paranormal". Why? We can see it but it lies outside our understanding of the basic principles of how we *think* the universe is supposed to work. Of course…. 200 years ago a set of walkie talkies would've been considered paranormal for the very same reason.
Very true… however, I believe that some things will always be beyond our understanding. But we were designed to always try to figure our universe out, which is a good thing. After all, there's only so many shows on cable that are worth watching! /laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':unsure:' />
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Very true… however, I believe that some things will always be beyond our understanding.
Nah. If something exists it can be understood. It's only a matter of time and labor to shed light on the darkest corners of our universe.
The only things which cannot be understood are those things that exist in a closed logic loop that precludes understanding. Belief in god is one of those things. "Believing" is a matter of "Faith". There can be no rigorous scrutiny of "god" for instance because there is a barrier built into the construct. "Proof denies Faith and without Faith I am nothing". Convenient. No? Author Doug Adams commented on this very idea stating that if anyone actually managed to prove god exists he'd disappear in a poof of logic.
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Nah. If something exists it can be understood. It's only a matter of time and labor to shed light on the darkest corners of our universe.
The only things which cannot be understood are those things that exist in a closed logic loop that precludes understanding. Belief in god is one of those things. "Believing" is a matter of "Faith". There can be no rigorous scrutiny of "god" for instance because there is a barrier built into the construct. "Proof denies Faith and without Faith I am nothing". Convenient. No? Author Doug Adams commented on this very idea stating that if anyone actually managed to prove god exists he'd disappear in a poof of logic.
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' /> Would you guys PLEASE stop turning everything I say into a religious thing!? Please? This thread is about lost history! My beliefs are discussed in the appropriate areas, NOT in every darn thread!
And Douglas Adams was a stinking author! Are you going to start quoting that idiot L. Ron Hubbard next? Maybe Oprah Winfrey? Just because Adams wrote some darn good books doesn't mean that he knew his hind end from a hole in the ground! Geez! /laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='B)' />
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Oh my gosh!
/laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':P' /> Would you guys PLEASE stop turning everything I say into a religious thing!? Please? This thread is about lost history! My beliefs are discussed in the appropriate areas, NOT in every darn thread!
And Douglas Adams was a stinking author! Are you going to start quoting that idiot L. Ron Hubbard next? Maybe Oprah Winfrey? Just because Adams wrote some darn good books doesn't mean that he knew his hind end from a hole in the ground! Geez!
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Hey, Gryph! I see what you are saying, but you got to admit, it's kinda hard to separate God and even unexplainable physics /laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
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Oh and for the record, as a fan of ancient history I look at what's going on in America now and can see parallels to what happened to the Roman Empire.
The comparison to the Roman Empire is in my opinion about 90% correct. America now is becoming like the Roman Empire in that it grew so big that it could not support itself. The Romans could not tax themselves indefinitely to support the Empire. America is now doing the same. With so many layers of programs there are just so many people they can hit up for money to support them that eventually its all going to collapse like a house of cards.
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The comparison to the Roman Empire is in my opinion about 90% correct. America now is becoming like the Roman Empire in that it grew so big that it could not support itself. The Romans could not tax themselves indefinitely to support the Empire. America is now doing the same. With so many layers of programs there are just so many people they can hit up for money to support them that eventually its all going to collapse like a house of cards.
The central government will collapse. However we are a nation of 50 sovereign states. Each state has a self sufficient government, armed forces, social services….
The only thing we really have in common is a currency. Considering that there are now several dozen competing local currencies I think the collapse of the dollar will usher in a new era of freedom and prosperity.
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The central government will collapse. However we are a nation of 50 sovereign states. Each state has a self sufficient government, armed forces, social services….
The only thing we really have in common is a currency. Considering that there are now several dozen competing local currencies I think the collapse of the dollar will usher in a new era of freedom and prosperity.
Thats the way it's supposed to be, but not according to the dinks in DC. We gave up that union for a central government and lost "These United States" for "The United States" with the deification of Lincoln and the Civil War. So this discussion is sort of still on topic, re-establishing the Constitution. But thats a topic for a different type of forum?
One quick link for this particular argument and I'll neve do it again, but it is pertinent. Tenth Amendment Center
I have to agree about 2012 and the resurgence of old technologies. I might be a fatalist or paranoid, but I'm taking steps to prepare for a possible shift in how we live. Whats the worst that can happen? I have a bunch of food, water, ammo, seeds and other stuff I'll either use up or it will go bad. Better safe than sucker. And the Army didn't raise no fool.
In the entire time this rock has been spinning, able to support life, you have to wonder how many different species, how many different civilizations, how many different types of technology. Just because humans weren't here 5 million years ago, doesn't mean there might not have been some other intelligent species that had some kind of tech. Ya I know its far fetched, but not impossible. The more we find, the deeper we dig, the more we realize we don't really have a clue.
Personally, I'm collecting and reading every book I can find on old school tech and how our ancestors did it. Someday we might have to re-invent the wheel.
JMHO
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If we DO re-invent the wheel, I want it to have 22 inch rims standard! LOL!!
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The comparison to the Roman Empire is in my opinion about 90% correct. America now is becoming like the Roman Empire in that it grew so big that it could not support itself. The Romans could not tax themselves indefinitely to support the Empire. America is now doing the same. With so many layers of programs there are just so many people they can hit up for money to support them that eventually its all going to collapse like a house of cards.
The parallels are striking. The government is just too big and clumsy to be supported by the population and we do rely too heavily on foriegn commodities.
The central government will collapse. However we are a nation of 50 sovereign states. Each state has a self sufficient government, armed forces, social services….
The only thing we really have in common is a currency. Considering that there are now several dozen competing local currencies I think the collapse of the dollar will usher in a new era of freedom and prosperity.
Errr, gotta argue with you about having competing currencies. Multiple currencies stifle trade, Europe switched to the Euro and its trade volumn exploded. Our founding fathers saw the necessity of a common currency simply because of poor monetary support by the various states, hence the origin of the phrase, "Not worth the paper its printed on." I see the collaspe of the dollar as a bad thing. Even the Roman Empire had a singular monetary system.
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The one point missing from this is that even today history is constantly being revised and rewritten.
We can never be sure of reported history due to the bias/outlook/purpose of the writers.
We are subjected to filters, spin, color and "flavor" in our exposure to history to the point where we too often accept
the errors and fallacious as legitimate historical fact.
Face it, history is, for a large part, fiction based on events.
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The one point missing from this is that even today history is constantly being revised and rewritten.
We can never be sure of reported history due to the bias/outlook/purpose of the writers.
We are subjected to filters, spin, color and "flavor" in our exposure to history to the point where we too often accept
the errors and fallacious as legitimate historical fact.
Face it, history is, for a large part, fiction based on events.
Yes, traditionally history has been based on the point of view of the writer. And yes, today history is being revised and rewritten because historians are always striving to correct the biases and textbooks. But this could be said about any discipline. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Pluto now considered NOT to be a planet?? And haven't many scientists came out and said the Greenhouse Effect is a lot of hooey??
I guess my point is that every discipline is a living, evolving enity in its own right, colored and shaped by the time period is which it occurs. But fiction?? Countless milllions who have suffered from the human injustices in history would beg to differ. Academia is ruthless and demands multiple sources and peer review to validate a new theory to be accepted. The struggle for the truth is what makes us human.
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Okay, imho it's fiction based on actual events,
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Okay, imho it's fiction based on actual events,
I'm sorry for being so snarky. It's just with the 2012 thing and all of these conspiracy theories . . . I have just found myself getting defensive trying to defend my profession. And the beat goes on, IMHO /wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />
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What were the writers of the Vedic Texts talking about when they describe ancient flying machines?
According to ancient Indian texts, the people had flying machines which were called "Vimanas." The ancient Indian epic describes a Vimana as a double-deck, circular aircraft with portholes and a dome, much as we would imagine a flying saucer.
It flew with the "speed of the wind" and gave forth a "melodious sound." There were at least four different types of Vimanas; some saucer shaped, others like long cylinders ("cigar shaped airships"). The ancient Indian texts on Vimanas are so numerous, it would take volumes to relate what they had to say. The ancient Indians, who manufactured these ships themselves, wrote entire flight manuals on the control of the various types of Vimanas, many of which are still in existence, and some have even been translated into English.
The Samara Sutradhara is a scientific treatise dealing with every possible angle of air travel in a Vimana. There are 230 stanzas dealing with the construction, take-off, cruising for thousand of miles, normal and forced landings, and even possible collisions with birds. In 1875, the Vaimanika Sastra, a fourth century B.C. text written by Bharadvajy the Wise, using even older texts as his source, was rediscovered in a temple in India. It dealt with the operation of Vimanas and included information on the steering, precautions for long flights, protection of the airships from storms and lightening and how to switch the drive to "solar energy" from a free energy source which sounds like "anti-gravity."
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Its really hard to say, when I lived in Germany I had an opportunity to chat with Erich Von Daniken. This guy had some really crazy insight that made alot of sense when you put the pieces together. Trans Continental Passenger flights, high speed sailing ships, electricity and the list keeps going. Daniken I believe was one of the firsts to connect most of the civilizations together by the pyramids built on different continents.
I believe that had written knowledge been protected then I could be writing this post in your minds and not on this board.
Thats how far we would be.
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