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I May Be Right, or I May Be Crazy

by Karen Frazier, Managing Editor
Paranormal Underground

I’ve been losing a lot of sleep as I struggle with my recent experiences. I’ve relayed some of them in my blogs about our visit to the site of the Wellington avalanche disaster.

Still, I haven’t told you the whole story. Mainly because I am still processing it and trying to decide what, if anything, this all means to me. Will it cause me to shift my paradigm from “I don’t know” to “I believe”? Really. I don’t know.

Still, I have decided to share this with our readers, because I have always been extremely open about my thought processes about the unexplained, the unseen and the paranormal. I have to admit. I am nervous about sharing my experiences and my thought processes – because for me, I am struggling right now with where I go from here as one who has always perched carefully on the fence.

I will share my experiences. Please be gentle with me. But in being gentle, please share your true thoughts about what I am telling you. This is how we learn, this is how we move forward. I am open to what you have to say. I think.

Preamble aside, here are my recent experiences that are causing me to re-evaluate my “I don’t know” position on ghosts.

Before I get fully into it (oops – more preamble), here’s what I told Jim. There are two explanations for what I experienced – and what I am continuing to experience – as a result of going to Wellington. Either a) I am losing it or b ) something is going on. I’m having trouble wrapping my brain around either explanation, quite frankly.

First you can take a look at my Wellington blog, which explains some of it, including the history of the site, etc. There is also an excellent book called The Cascade White, which talks in great detail about the Wellington avalanche disaster where at least 96 souls perished on March 1, 1910.

While at Wellington, I had a sense that a child was following me. In my head, I saw a three year old boy. Blondish – dark blond really with kind of a straight fine hair cut that boys of that age often have. He was wearing what I would term a newsboy cap. Longish shorts with thick, dark stockings and black shoes and a warm “pea coat” style coat. I mentioned to one of my friends that I sensed this little boy. When I discussed it with Cheryl, I thought that he was too well-spoken (I have no idea why) to be that young so I said maybe older like six. But my first impression was that he was three. I then ignored my impression and used my logic to get to six.

At this time, I knew nothing about any of the victims of Wellington, I hadn’t read the book, I knew little about the tragedy (other than a vague outline of what happened and the date on which it had happened).

So – as I mentioned in a previous blog, this site comes with the weight of history. You can feel history there and you can feel the weight of what happened there. Perhaps it is the long concrete snow shed that is twisted and gnarled at the end where it was crushed under the weight of snow. Perhaps it is the ominous hill perched above the shed. One can only imagine it full of snow waiting to come crashing down that steep and unforgiving slope.

I’ve spent a lot of time in the wilderness and in the mountains, and it has never felt like this. Perhaps it is merely that I know what transpired there, and all of those lives lost feel like a weighty thing. I am still logical enough about this to question everything that I am sensing and feeling.

All around Wellington, there was something there with me. It started when I was simply sitting on a bench minding my own business. It continued the entire time we are there. It poked me. It pulled someone’s hair. I believe it spoke on an EVP that I posted – the one audio recording that I have been unable to logically explain away, and believe me – I have been grilling Jim about logical explanations. When we left, it got in the van and sat beside me. It didn’t feel malevolent. Only curious. And childlike. It was at this time that I started with the image of the young boy in my mind’s eye. But I was ignoring myself. It was certainly my imagination. How silly am I to think that I would have a young boy attached to me?

By the way, many who know me will tell you this. I give off a serious “mom” vibe. Children have always flocked to me. They adore me and I adore them back. I was originally going to be a teacher – but I loved the kids and disliked the parents and administration. Still, I’ve done a lot with kids over the years in various volunteer capacities because of my love for them.

Anyway – we got mostly down out of Stevens Pass in the Cascades to the town of Monroe and I still felt this little presence with me. I thought I was nuts. I felt silly. So I didn’t tell Jim and Bill, who were in the van with me. When we got to the town of Monroe, about an hour out of the pass, we were racing a train on the flats out of the mountains. There was huge excitement that I could feel about that train. Again – I don’t know why. I wish I did. Anyway – that little presence – it was still there. It was a feeling – physical. Along the side of my face, top of my head. I didn’t really see or hear anything except the image of the child I described above in my mind’s eye.

Certainly, it could still be imagination and I was and continue to be very aware of this fact.

I closed my eyes and told the little presence, “You can’t come with me. I am going home. You have to go back to your home.”

At the moment, it didn’t feel stupid to be saying it – it felt like what I had to do. The feeling on my face and top of my head immediately went away.

Another team. They left maybe 30 minutes to an hour after I told the little spirit to go away. One of the team members is also a mom – and she even had her 13 year old son with her. I mentioned to her the next day that I’d had “something follow me” in the van. Much to my surprise she told me that they’d had the same experience. They had to stop the car part way out of the mountain and tell whatever was with them to go back. They left at about 2 a.m., so this probably happened no later than 3.

At 3 am, Jim and I were finally getting settled into our hotel room at Captain Whidbey Inn on Whidbey Island. We turned out the lights to go to sleep. There was that little presence again. I silently asked it to go away. I woke Jim up, and it took another good hour to get to sleep. At this point I still didn’t know about something “following” another group home.

A few days ago, I was sitting in my living room on my computer, much as I am now. I was alone in the house with all three dogs, who were curled up on the couch next to me. I heard a “click” in the entryway, and the dogs went crazy. I went out to the entryway, and my son’s saxophone neck strap, which had been on the stairs underneath his yearbook where I’d put it earlier that day, was lying in the middle of the marble entryway floor. It was the clip where it attaches to the sax that had made the click. The dogs were insane – growling and barking. but they are small dogs. They do that.

I turned to look out the screen door to see if anyone was outside and I heard a very quiet, soft voice behind me say, “Hi.”

I felt that feeling on the side of my face and my head again. The little presence – for lack of a better term – was back, although I saw nothing but the image of that little boy in my head.

I am angry with myself.

I said aloud, “Please go home. I will come visit you soon, but you can’t come visit me here.”

The presence immediately was gone. I am angry because I should have whipped out a recorder, a ghost mike – something – and started asking questions. I didn’t, which was very poor investigative technique.

Still, I am struggling with this. Like I said – there are two explanations. One means shifting the very foundations of what I know to be rational, scientific and true. The other means that the latent family insanity is setting in.

A few hours earlier, my friend the UPS guy had delivered The Cascade White. I grabbed the book and looked for a roster of the dead. I wanted to prove to myself that this whole thing was in my head. That it was my imagination. It took quite a bit of digging, but this is what I found (and I had to dig not only through the roster of the dead and injured, but also through various pages and chapters to discover ages of children, etc.) There were something like six children listed as deceased on the train (I don’t have the book right here – it is back in the bedroom where Jim is sleeping off a night shift). One was an infant boy with the last name Starrett. I believe he was still a nursing baby. There was a three year old girl by the name of Thelma. There was an older girl I believe – the older sister of the infant, also last name Starett. And then there was the Beck family. The names of the Beck family are listed in the book, except one was listed as “unknown first name” Beck, child, killed. This is where I had to start to dig. It didn’t mention the age, and since there was no first name, I was unable to determine whether the child was a girl or a boy. Still, it was my last chance for a 3-year-old boy. Every other child killed at Wellington was ruled out by nature of age or sex.

I found the answer in one passage, talking about how the “three-year-old” Beck boy was getting along famously with Frances Starrett, a seven year old boy who would survive the avalanche. Both of the boys were fascinated with the three-year-old boy’s toy train, and they spent hours rolling it along the aisles of the train.

Next, I decided to look up the fashions of 1910 – particularly winter clothes for boys. Imagine my surprise when I saw what they wore. Newsboy caps. Long shorts with thick black (or dark) stockings. Dark shoes. Heavy coats that looked like pea coats.

Winter clothing catalog from 1909-1910. Look at the boy on the left.

Winter clothing catalog from 1909-1910. Look at the boy on the left.

Could I have known about clothes of that time without realizing it? Oh probably – I have a lot of crap stored in this brain of mine. Could I have somewhere heard about a three year old boy? Maybe – but I asked about kids and recall being told, “maybe there were families – I’m not sure.” I could not remember someone telling me any more than that. Could the “excitement” about the train have been just me feeling stressed from the whole Wellington story and have nothing to do with the fact that a 3-year-old boy on the doomed train had a toy train that he loved and spent hours playing with? Probably. Could the saxophone strap have been moved by a dog without me noticing it sometime before the click in the entryway? Sure. And could the click have been something outside? Probably. Whatever it was, it freaked the dogs out and woke them from a sound sleep.

When you add all of this together, it is a lot of interesting coincidences, if nothing else. Especially when you add to it my experiences at Wellington where I picked up the same energies independently of another person without knowing what she had picked up. That audio clip – which is much clearer on the Olympus than the hi-def H4, but still very recognizable on both – is further confounding to me.

For me, it is confusing. I always said that I would know when I found that thing that made me believe. I don’t know if this is it, but it has come far closer than anything else. Two explanations. A) Losing it. B ) Something is going on. I am less sure of my “I don’t know” position than I have ever been. That’s a tough one for me – to just make that leap from “I don’t know” to belief, just as it would be equally difficult for me to make the leap from “I don’t know” to disbelief.

Anyway – that is the entire story. I’ve been keeping it to myself because I know how nuts it all sounds. Really. I do. Choice A (crazy) or choice B (something’s happening)? I’m open to a choice C, if someone’s got one.

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Comments (13)
  1. GettysburgLady / Reply July 18, 2009 at 5:58 pm

    This is an AWESOME blog, Karen! You are NOT crazy!

    I cannot tell you how many times I have brought civil war soldiers home with me from the battlefield. How do I know? They love anything electronic and fiddle with everything.

    This is so fascinating. I thoroughly enjoyed reading about your experience and the follow-up research you did.

    Amazing!

    Carolyn ;)

  2. Michelle Pillow / Reply July 18, 2009 at 8:52 pm

    Great blog, Karen. Very interesting story. :)

  3. ediaz65 / Reply July 19, 2009 at 3:02 pm

    Rest assured, you aren’t crazy, Karen. I believe I had a small girl attached to me too. And, once when I passed a fatal accident, the boy who was killed followed me home. The exact same thing happened to me, I felt him in the car, I saw his yearbook picture in my head as I drove by. So, yes I believe it does happen. And you needn’t be angry with yourself. Its one thing to be prepared and have a recorder ready when you are at a site, but its quite another thing when the presence is in your home when you don’t expect it.

  4. seekeroftruth / Reply July 19, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    Wow, very interesting story! I totally believe that you had some type of experience.

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  7. Budd Lewis / Reply August 8, 2009 at 9:19 pm

    Karen,
    Welcome to the deep end of the pool. The thing about dealing with the paranormal is, it is by its very nature, a very sad and poignant thing. How souls go to where they are or aren’t was through specific circumstances. How you got there is either by accident or by conscious will. The fish are in the water. To swim with them, you have to either be pushed in or wade/dive into the water. Most people don’t seem to understand this. But its like deciding to go into mortuary work, like a friend of mine, although there are any number of reasons for pursing this particular career, ultimately it is a career of poignant condition. Your clients didn’t decide to come visit you like a day in Disneyland. They needed his services and he doesn’t bake cakes. He gives comfort to the survivors and prepares the mortal remains for eternal rest.

    So, as much fun as it sounds like, not that you entered into it unadvisedly, to go ghost hunting, packing up some sandwiches and taking off with a few buds to explore an old prison or a condemned asylum, not many take a moment to grasp what it really means. These are the places of death. Death is a solemn state. Not many people die happily or in a joyful condition. There is no more grim or gray circumstance than death and the act/circumstance of dying. And here the ghost hunter is, possibly amid the spirit or spirits of the human soul that is at unrest, and certainly in the place where the condition of dying and ultimately death occurred.

    The question is not, at least to me, is there a continuing human spirit here? The question is, am I prepared to deal with it? I think that is something you, Karen Frazier, as intelligent and insightful as you are, are most certainly prepared to deal with. But in this particular circumstance, “sensing” the child, for that is what you did, you “saw” him in your mind’s eye, which is a theory I have come to consider these days. I am coming to feel that “ghosts” are not something that can be readily seen with the human ocular system, but are “picked up” in a more sensory-like manner, through another manner of perception that I can’t explain. Well, I might be able to explain it but I can’t tell you I understand it, although I “get it”. But it seems to me, you “got it”, too. No vaporous see-through entities, no repeating gaseous anomalies, you pictured the little boy as he remembered himself, down to his knickers and Buster Browns, because that was all that was left of his little spirit, his memory of himself. And your mind, through whatever electrical brain-synapse processes that are at work, tuned into to all there was of him. And you found out one thing specific about him…he was lonely. There seemed to be that mom attraction. He picked up on you, too.

    When you felt him get in the car with you, your mom instincts kicked in and you told him what a any responsible mom would say, “Go home, sweetheart, we’ve got to go now.” But your ghost hunter instincts might have stalled at an opportune moment. Its like when we watch the TAPS crew or the GA guys stumble onto something, being it a flying brick or a roaring toy dragon, they bog down, note it and walk away. No offense, but you might have bogged down when you could have realized, this entity is in the car with me, I need to stop right now and make whatever contact I can.

    Then, when you felt him in your home, actually heard with your own ears (perhaps) when he said “Hi” (which I don’t know if that was a standard greeting from his era…maybe, we could check), you realized, too late that you sent him back to some place where, perhaps, there was no one to comfort him. Maybe he was alone. Maybe his family has passed on, leaving him behind, not understanding his physical body had perished, because of his young age. I don’t say this to put an onus on you that you failed this little lost angel, you handled it better than I probably would have,but now you know where he is and that he needs someone, someone like you.

    If he went back to where you found each other, maybe he’s still there, quite likely. And this may be your chance to make a discovery that few of us will ever be able to make. I think you know what you can and maybe should do. I send blessings to you and your lonely little boy lost spirit. If I’ve found this blog too late and you’ve already gone back to find him, then I’ll look for a blog that tells us what you found. We all envy you. I’m sure we all wish we could go with you. We will wait for you to share this wondrous thing us.

    Talk to you soon,
    Budd

  8. Karen Frazier / Reply August 8, 2009 at 10:14 pm

    Thanks, Budd. I have been back once since then, and I will go back again very soon. I talked to the little boy when I was there last time – I knew his name by this time. I even took toys for Leonard to play with. When we left, I promised I would be back again, and I will. I also told him that he can come see me if he needs to. So far, if he has come back, I’ve not been aware of him.

    The spirits of Wellington definitely were tormented. They spent nine days getting more and more desperate as their situation worsened and the snow continued to fall. They were prepared to hike out the next morning because the trail had cleared somewhat. Instead, as they slumbered on the train that night, an avalanche tore down the hill taking their train with it.

    I am not sure why this story haunts me, or why I feel connected to it – but it does and I do. I feel very strongly that this isn’t a place to go “ghost hunting” because whoever is left there deserves more compassion than those coming to get their kicks. The teams I know who are involved in investigating the location are extremely responsible. What I know is that I set out to merely be an observer and a reporter, and somehow I became part of the story.

  9. Budd Lewis / Reply August 9, 2009 at 12:33 am

    Wonderful information, Karen. Yes, you have become part of the story. And the writer in me is drawn to that story. Its movie material. Not a horror story, but a love story. Remember “The Others”? Such a sad, heartbreaking story, but one that may ultimately have a happy ending in a snowy forest. Why are you drawn to it? Why is he drawn to you? Think. Some of us who believe in reincarnation…well, there I go again, y’know, a writer. I’m waiting for you to write the next chapter. Turn the page.

    I’m so glad you went back. And you found him again. That’s what I was hoping for. Poor little boy. Leonard. How this touches my heart. He’s awfully lucky it was you and your group rather than just a bunch of thrashers. You take sensitivity instead of heat thermal cameras. I’m feeling now that to “see” what we call…ghosts…and you’re proof of it, we have to look inward, just behind our eyelids. We can see their souls with our souls. It makes sense, but it takes more than baseball caps and t-shirts with group names printed on them, it takes heart and…yes, love. And if we understand those bound spirits are like castaways, survivors of corporeal ship sinkings, we can find within ourselves how to reach out to them, how to reach them, throwing them out a psychic lifeline.

    But if we do, we must be prepared to follow through with the gesture. When the toy begins to roar, we can’t walk away. That’s when the work really begins. The hard part. We must be prepared to be proactive. Have a plan, talk with learned people, get advice, do some homework, use your imagination. Just imagine if the situation was reversed and you were lost and alone and maybe scared and something, something, something was so terribly wrong…imagine what you’d need, what you’d want from someone who came close to you and they told you you were dead…and called you a “spirit” or a “ghost” or something worse…think how you could be shattered when they spoke to you like these ghost hunters speak to the objects of their obsession.

    How should you speak? What should you say? How could you offer your hand, your heart to someone who no longer had either? Well, Karen, I can depend on you to be the best a person could be in a situation like this. Your little lost boy, Leonard, is in good hands. You’ll go back. And unless you’ve already managed to inadvertently release him (and that’s why he hasn’t been back to your house), he’ll make himself known. And what will happen next? How will you deal with an angel shy of Heaven? You have our trust. And he has a friend. He’s a lucky little boy. Its time his luck changed. Things haven’t been so great for him in a long, long time. Sending you luck, love and light.

    Budd

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  13. Morgan / Reply April 1, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    Something to ponder your thoughts on, but where do you find yourself on the theories of reincarnation/recycvling/a second lesson? From strictly a reader’s perspective, you seem almost as magnetized as any of the trapped ones at Wellington, and it would not surprise me if they don’t continue to follow you. Perhaps you just drew the boy as you do any other child, but what chance is there that you were involved, either directly, or more likely a relative of a victim who never understood what happened to their husband/wife/brother/sister/cousin/aunt/etc in 1910 and now is your chance to learn. We as a general public had no idea what kind of a Bear that area is when we startted cutting into it with the trains. We barely understood the locomotives we were riding, let alone nature. The concept that your loved one was simply swept off the side of the Earth and out of existance is monumental, and not all that easy to fully comprehend. Sounds liek it should, doesn’t it?

    I’ve not had the experience of anyone follwing me long-term, though I have had passed relarives keep an eye on me when Dad was sick, later when he passed away. You may find more who follow you. Keep the ones who mean you good, ask them to watch your back. You do have the right to ask them for privacy of your own home, just as they may choose to ignore you someday in the Shed.

    And ho knows, maybe the kid was trying to venture out, just as they had never gotten to do that morning.




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